General Election stuff

[unclepumble]

Now then, before I start I am not trying to start a political war here, so lets keep things civilised!

I was in the car today listening to Jeremy Vine, there was a very knowledgeable chap on discussing the General Election called today etc, & between the wife's comments & the kids screaming in the back I picked up the following interesting info.

Apparently the traditional safe Labour seats (Inner City etc) have become so depopulated, that compared to the typical Conservative seat, (suburban, & country)for a typical labour heartland seat they only need to get typically 15,000 votes to win the seat, but to win overall in a typical conservative area you need approx 23,000 votes to win the seat.

He also stated that the Current Gov are trying to change the voting rules further, to enable them to get power much easier in the future, with less votes.

Food for thought.

UP

 

[Aleman]

Isn't that the way the part in power always does things to help them stay in power.

I'm thinking of standing on the platform of 'Lets get these Effin crooks out of parliament and into the real world'

I'm voting 'none of the above'

 

[unclepumble]

Isn't that the way the part in power always does things to help them stay in power.

I'm thinking of standing on the platform of 'Lets get these Effin crooks out of parliament and into the real world'

I'm voting 'none of the above'

Given a choice I would vote UKIP, as I would like to be out of Europe.

However, I think a vote away from either Conservative or Labour is a wasted vote, it will only add to the likelihood of a hung parliament, which will be a complete Nightmare.

Whoever gets in is a crook, nobody is there to help anyone but themselves, its always been that way and it will never change.

UP

 

[prolix]

If that were really true the conservatives would be pushing for a new electorial system.

The system is unrepresentative of the demographic always has been and always will be, but not of the local population. I do not want some MP allocated to my area because they got votes across the country, as with the euro elections. I will put up with whatever I get, saying that we will probaby get the BNP party and they already send me emails, indirectly threatening physical harm to my wife and children (I wonder if that classes as spam as it was unsolicated? :lol: )(admin still have the emails so it is not libellous :twisted: ), democracy don't you love it.

 

[brewzone]

It always takes cracked heads to get real change.

Our forefathers fought for nearly every change that has come about since the days of kids working in cotton mills.

The people of this country seem to have lost the ability to vote with their feet.

We will all get the party We deserve.

 

[Wez]

We have a good demographic here on the forum, maybe we should add a poll (which is anonymous anyway) might be interesting, what do you think?

 

[Aleman]

As long as there is a none of the above option :evil:

 

[Wez]

As long as there is a none of the above option :evil:

Of course, we could also add a dont plan to vote option, now that would be interesting!

 

[unclepumble]

We have a good demographic here on the forum, maybe we should add a poll (which is anonymous anyway) might be interesting, what do you think?

I Vote to be in! :rofl:
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[Wez]

Poll added!

 

[Tony]

Came home yesterday to find filth from the BNP pushed through the letterbox, wish I was at home when he'd called, I've just sharpened the axe.

He's Greek ... maybe someone should explain the BNPs political stance on immigration to him. Still, if he had an ounce of sense...

Governments are famous for changing boundaries, thatcher did it back in the 80s to huge effect. The tories website is saying that boundary changes made back in 2007 (or proposed) would benefit them more than labour...?

A little boy goes to his dad and asks, 'What is Politics?'

Dad says, 'Well son, let me try to explain it this way:

I am the head of the family, so call me The Prime Minister. Your mother is the administrator of the money, so we call her the Government.

We are here to take care of your needs, so we will call you the People. The nanny, we will consider her the Working Class. And your baby brother, we will call him the Future.

Now think about that and see if it makes sense.'

So the little boy goes off to bed thinking about what Dad has said. Later that night, he hears his baby brother crying, so he gets up to check on him. He finds that the baby
has severely soiled his nappy. So the little boy goes to his parent's room and finds his mother asleep. Not wanting to wake her, he goes to the nanny's room. Finding the door locked, he peeks in the keyhole and sees his father in bed with the nanny..

He gives up and goes back to bed.

The next morning, the little boy say's to his father, 'Dad, I think I understand the concept of politics now. '

The father says, 'Good, son, tell me in your own words what you think politics is all about.'

The little boy replies, 'The Prime Minister is screwing the Working Class while the Government is sound asleep. The People are being ignored and the Future is in deep ****.'

 

[snail59]

Now I can see an opertunity here. So the way I see it is we all vote for the Lib Dem's. No hang on dont all shout me down let me finish. At 250/1 at the bookies we all go stick £10 on them then vote them in and were all quids in. Gotta be an option it's the only way were gonna get any money out the grabbing sods.

I realy dont know what to do this time. Mr Brown is a self perpetuating egotestical (yes i am aware of the spelling ) power freak. I know I dont want him in Power.

As for the rest they will tell you what they think you want to hear.

If someone would just stand up & tell me the truth.

Get us out of the EU. Cut out the waste in local & national govenment. Stop the Scots & the Welsh from voteing on English policy. Give the Irish a vote as to there own destiny. Abbolish road tax & increase fuel duty. Make life MEAN life. ETC.

 

[unclepumble]

I watched news night tonight, sort of, woke up part way through it

It was interesting to see how many people wont be voting as they see all the partys politicians as the same (bunch of thieving two hats).

Now then I don't disagree with their stance, if your unsure don't vote, but I would say If you are intending not to vote, don't cry when the labour party have taken your job, all your money, your pension, your house and any chance of a future for your children, when they have spent all the money the country had, on useless projects (pompeys spinannker tower, Millenium dome etc, and hundreds of useless statues etc oh and the odd bottle of champers on prescot's croquet lawn tapping up the understudies, (very socialist croquet).

I went to Ikea ashton under Lyme yesterday, driving down the bypass to Ikea from the motorway, I noticed what must have been 40+ very large statues of figures in different poses, (all obviously commissioned by an artist at considerable cost) at equal distance all along the side of the road, now very nice they might be, but I just wonder what the cost of these artworks added to the total cost of the build price, and 2 how the money spent on them could have been better spent on other more vital public services (schools, hospitals, Generating some work for people on long term benefits).

I will admit the statues did look quite nice, however they also made me feel like I was driving down some sort of communist avenue, It didn't give me the feeling of a british road.

I then thought who would waste Taxpayers money on these useless pieces of art, so I looked up the local MP for thameside (ashton under Lyme) and supprise suprise it wasn't a conservative or Lib Dem stronghold!

Keep it up labour, your doing a great job, a few more projects like this and The UK will be a bigger version of Easter Island!

UP

 

[Frisp]

There is a comment above which almost says a vote for anyone other than labour or tory is wasted, and that is true.
And whats the difference between the two, nothing.

No matter what either party claims as their policy and their way ahead, all that is dictated to them by the civil servants who hold the real power and by world events..

History shows that all parties have promised the earth during an election and on gaining power have delivered none of it, choosing instead to spin all their promises away...

This is not an election based on Policies its a spinathon....... And the next government has already been chosen by the Sun newspaper, as they have the biggest influence on the vote in this country.

 

[jenki]

Given a choice I would vote UKIP, as I would like to be out of Europe.

However, I think a vote away from either Conservative or Labour is a wasted vote, it will only add to the likelihood of a hung parliament, which will be a complete Nightmare.

Whoever gets in is a crook, nobody is there to help anyone but themselves, its always been that way and it will never change.

UP

Would a hung parliment be that bad? they would spend there time bickering like little kids and never change anything. can't be worse than letting one of them have control, if cony's get in it'll be yeah sorry about this and that were fixing what labour did blah blah and labour we'll be paying 15 quid a litre for petrol

 

[unclepumble]

Given a choice I would vote UKIP, as I would like to be out of Europe.

However, I think a vote away from either Conservative or Labour is a wasted vote, it will only add to the likelihood of a hung parliament, which will be a complete Nightmare.

Whoever gets in is a crook, nobody is there to help anyone but themselves, its always been that way and it will never change.

UP

If cony's get in it'll be yeah sorry about this and that were fixing what labour did blah blah and labour we'll be paying 15 quid a litre for petrol

It wont be long before the £15 a ltr, The conservatives "will" be saying sorry we are trying to fix what labour did, because if they get in they will be trying to fix what labour did, and so will any other party that will gain power.

Labour have hocked the country ever since they gained power in the early part of the 20th century,
1, Borrowed billions to set up welfare state, just after the war, (and put us for ever in the debt of the USA)
2, Opened up borders to commenwealth country's then could not deal with the massive influx of immigration.
3, Broke the country under Wilson and chancellor Dennis Healey in the seventies bringing the country to its knees.
4, Sold the gold reserves, (advertising the fact allowing the market price to fall to a record low the day before the sale loosing billions in the process)
5, Took us into the Iraq conflict, (How much has this cost us, & what benefit does the uk get from it Cheaper Oil Prices? :wha: :nono: )
6, Yet again opened the floodgates to mass immigration, without the infrastructure or money to deal with it.
7, Allowed the banks to deal in such a way in this country, that we are now facing one of the biggest financial crisis we have ever faced, then said they had no control or are in no way to blame for the problems, (lets face it it was the big looser's that GB had the biggest influence in, Halifax, LLoyds TSB, RBS, the heads of those banks are all doing just fine after walking away on massive pensions etc, something the GOV could have done something about but chose not too, maybe If they had a few more whistles may have been blown)
8, Done nothing about increasing industry, or manufacturing, If left to weave the web they are on they will bury UK manufacturing.


Whoever takes power needs to shake up the state, it takes 3 average working families, to provide enough money to pay for the average benefits family, therefore very soon the scales are not going to work.

The thing that really worries me though is the speed that Europe is picking up pace, very soon it wont be the conservatives or labour or lib dems, it will be the republic that decides what you do, & labour have just handed over the keys to the country, without asking us. Where was the referendum Gordon, Did I miss something?

Labour has had a war on the lords, since it has taken power, apart from largely removing the the lords powers to veto stupid bills it has filled the chamber with its cronies, largely by selling tickets to peer ship's, and got away with it, the governments governer is no more, therefore they can do as they please even when it is not in the interests of the people.

And the Labour party do not have the interests of the people that stoke the engines, the ones who provide the cash to pay for there wonderful utopian ideas.

Lets be honest in an Ideal world it would be wonderful for everyone to have their ills treated no questions asked, to have the children educated to the highest levels possible, etc, etc, etc,

However, you can not do the above without cash, and to provide that cash you need workers that pay the taxes, if you strangle the work providers enough so they cannot make profit, then there will be no work.

Every small business man I speak to is struggling to make ends meet, they are laying people off left right and centre, and just concentrating on paying their own way by what ever means, these people are the backbone of our society and they need help to drag us out of the Mire, This lot that are in now don't care about the small business man, the back handers from big business outweigh what the average John brings to the party.

As a Footnote, this may be more interest than my diatribe:
I read that Small Cider producers can produce up to 70 hectolitres of cider, and sell it etc, before they need to register with HMRC as cider producers. Now then I think we should have a level playing field and as home brewers be given the same privilegde, then we could easily provide the odd cask/keg to the local, or local beer festival, sell a bit to our mates to cover the cost of the hops grain etc, without getting into trouble, therefore I think we all need to write to our local MP to get this passed in parliment, It would only take a draft letter as per back the pub campaign.

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[Vossy1]

This is my opinion, and mine alone, and is in no way linked to the forum....right that over....

Most people don't know their **** from their elbows when voting...they are guided by the press, or pre-conceptons...most of the time....and that's a fact.
If you look at what the country needs....excluding what the electoral parties say, and then weigh that up against what the parties are offering, you'll be better informed as to who to vote for. The sad fact is most people can't be bothered and tend to be swayed by issues of the days or weeks before polling.
The bit that really saddens me is that the few people who really dislike what's going on, and decide to do something about it, get voted in (hopefully) at an election, and then get tarred with the same brush as all those who are along for the ride...with the phrase " they're all as bad as each other" :cry:

It's very important to vote, even if not for the main parties....send your message either way :thumb:
Happy days!

 

[rickthebrew]

Great interesting post - its important to vote as vossy said - even if its for a lesser (wrong word?) party - imagine if you didn`t have the right to vote things could be a lot worse.....

having said that WHO to vote for is the hard part - a percentage of crooks and liars through all partys I imagine :hmm:

 

[jonewer]

Labour have hocked the country ever since they gained power in the early part of the 20th century,
1, Borrowed billions to set up welfare state, just after the war, (and put us for ever in the debt of the USA)
2, Opened up borders to commenwealth country's then could not deal with the massive influx of immigration.
3, Broke the country under Wilson and chancellor Dennis Healey in the seventies bringing the country to its knees.
4, Sold the gold reserves, (advertising the fact allowing the market price to fall to a record low the day before the sale loosing billions in the process)
5, Took us into the Iraq conflict, (How much has this cost us, & what benefit does the uk get from it Cheaper Oil Prices? :wha: :nono: )
6, Yet again opened the floodgates to mass immigration, without the infrastructure or money to deal with it.
7, Allowed the banks to deal in such a way in this country, that we are now facing one of the biggest financial crisis we have ever faced, then said they had no control or are in no way to blame for the problems, (lets face it it was the big looser's that GB had the biggest influence in, Halifax, LLoyds TSB, RBS, the heads of those banks are all doing just fine after walking away on massive pensions etc, something the GOV could have done something about but chose not too, maybe If they had a few more whistles may have been blown)
8, Done nothing about increasing industry, or manufacturing, If left to weave the web they are on they will bury UK manufacturing.

You forget the following bits:

9, Destroyed our civil liberties. You can now be denied, without trial, access to the internet. You can be locked up for months without being charged. You can be refused a job on the basis that you are male/white/heterosexual etc. You can be stopped and searched by the police without any reason being given. Peaceful protestors can fully expect to be beaten by the police, sometimes to death, or violently arrested for no reason other than to challenge the actions of the stasi-oops-sorry-I-mean-old-bill.

10, Destroyed our pensions. Once the envy of the developed world, our pensions are now worthless. Even the public sector pensions are unfunded. We can all look forward to being old and poor. If you dont like the taste of cat food, better take up smoking.

11, Squandered our diplomatic capital by poodling up to the US on every issue including Iraq. Now the US refuses to offer us even tacit support over the latest Falkland Islands saber-rattiling.

12, Priced an entire generation out of ever owning their own home. The average home now costs over 10x the median average wage.

Great.

Thanks Labour.

The tories are little better though. I'll be voting UKIP or indie. And to those who say a vote to UKIP or the indies is a wasted vote should really think about wether theres any real difference between the big three parties at all, on a practical level, and think what would happen if other smaller parties and indies accrued more votes than the big three.

 

[Ktan]

Lib Dem for me = Tatical vote in our constituency.