French election

[Brew_DD2]

far right? sorry to break it to you but anyone with a different opinion as you are not far right. Just a tactic of the far left to call everyone with a different opinion to them as far right in an attempt to stifle free and open discussion. In a democracy it's normal and crucial to have a variety of opinions across the whole political spectrum. If you have to resort to name calling tactics to avoid discussion then you need to work a bit harder on your arguments. Shooting down the far right, or far left, with sensible arguments is easy and text book...If you're calling people names to shut them up then you need to try harder.

Tommy Robinson is a pratt, but the vile tripe he mutters and as far right as Corbyns are to the far left who's vile tripe is just as disgusting but at least Corby's views were allowed to be put out there and discussed and debated and were fully and absolutely rejected via the democratic process...but despite that many on the left still seem to love him. Its the far lefts tactics to, via any means possible, take people out of the democratic process to silence them...exposing their tyrannical instincts.

They are Far Right whether you like it or not. If you don't consider Tommy Robinson or Marine Le Pen to be Far Right, then I'm sorry to break it to you, but you're just wrong. If you want to consider it an insult or name-calling that's fine, but facts don't change because you find them offensive. They are legitimate and recognised political classifications.

On your second point, you're right that the far right and far left begin to converge the further you move away from the centre. Horseshoe theory describes this phenomena.

And for what it's worth, I have no time for Jeremy Corbyn. Although I have no idea what you're rambling on about taking people out of the democratic process.

 

[Agentgonzo]

If you have to resort to name calling tactics to avoid discussion then you need to work a bit harder on your arguments.

It's interesting that you take "right wing" to be name calling, then call other people "left wing" as if that's not name calling

... Then proceed to just use name calling tactics yourself in the next paragraph

Tommy Robinson is a pratt, but the vile tripe he mutters and as far right as Corbyns are to the far left who's vile tripe is just as disgusting

 

[An Ankoù]

The far-right National Rally (RN) has pulled off another victory and is now well on the way to its goal of turning French politics on its head.

There will be much talk in the coming days of centrist and left-wing candidates standing aside in round two in order to concentrate the anti-RN vote – and much wailing about the disappearance of the old Front Républicain (when the other parties used to agree to keep out the far-right).

But it would take an upset of monumental proportions to overturn the only conclusion that can be drawn from this first round of voting, which is that RN is now indisputably the dominant political force in France.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd10g29l7y4o

Whoever wrote that understands little about French politics, It might come to pass that they become the dominant force, but the money seems to be saying otherwise. The euro has strengthened against the Micky Mouse Dollar and the Monopoly Pound, and the stock market is on a roll on the grounds that the RN only took 33% of the first-round vote and a hung parliament seems highly likely. The New Popular Front is doing exactly what it was established for and constituencies where three candidates have gone through will, in most cases, withdraw the third candidate to avoid splitting the vote against RN.
While the French like to give their president a bloody nose, they still don't like being referred to as "collaborators" and "Pétainistes", which would be perfectly legitimate name calling as this is where Lepen's party originates and, as far as I can see still lies.

Watch this space. Next Sunday's vote is the one that counts.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Whoever wrote that understands little about French politics,

That'll be -

Hugh Schofield
Paris Correspondent

Here is the article in full -


Marine Le Pen's far-right National Rally (RN) has pulled off another victory and is now well on the way to its goal of turning French politics on its head.
There will be much talk in the coming days of centrist and left-wing candidates standing aside in round two in order to concentrate the anti-RN vote – and much wailing about the disappearance of the old Front Républicain (when the other parties used to agree to keep out the far-right).
But it would take an upset of monumental proportions to overturn the only conclusion that can be drawn from this first round of voting, which is that RN is now indisputably the dominant political force in France.
Nonetheless, what remains to be decided over the next week is still quite significant.
It is the difference between a far-right government having a free hand because of an outright majority in the National Assembly and a far-right government unable to do very much at all because the Assembly is split.
Right now, the seat projections give the RN anything from 260 to 310. Given that 289 seats is an absolute majority, there is obviously a lot still to play for.

To limit the damage to their cause, French President Emmanuel Macron’s centrists and the left-wing New Popular Front alliance will call on their supporters to vote tactically in round two on 7 July. Even if their own candidate has been knocked out, voters will be urged to choose whoever it is in their constituency that is up against the RN.
But the trouble with this kind of party order is that fewer and fewer people listen to them anymore.
The disappearance of the shame that used to attend a vote for the RN has been a long process, but it can now surely be declared to be complete.
The other difficulty for opponents of the RN is the high number of so-called triangular votes in round two – in other words, constituencies where not two but three candidates will be facing off next Sunday. Usually, one each from the centre, the far-right and the left.
The reason for the high number of triangulars is the high voter turnout, which is itself the result of the high stakes.
It is also because the lightning campaign made it impossible for small parties to get their act together, so the vote has been concentrated in the three blocs.
Evidently, if there are three parties competing in a constituency, it is harder for the anti-RN vote to coalesce. In many places there will be centrist or leftwinger candidates standing aside - but far from in all.
In general, the country appears to be gripped now with a sense of the inevitability of a far-right win.
What was once seen as an enormity not even to be contemplated is now a tangible fact-in-waiting.

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[An Ankoù]

The opening paragraph is quite sensationalist, but the rest is ok.
Here are the important bits:

Nonetheless, what remains to be decided over the next week is still quite significant.
It is the difference between a far-right government having a free hand because of an outright majority in the National Assembly and a far-right government unable to do very much at all because the Assembly is split.
Right now, the seat projections give the RN anything from 260 to 310. Given that 289 seats is an absolute majority, there is obviously a lot still to play for.

Jordan Bardella has already said he won't accept being Prime Minister unless there is an absolute majority for RN. "I won't be Macron's assistant" quoth he in his dodgiest "Allo, Allo" accent. Remember the President chooses HIS PM regardless and it's only convention that says the candidate from a arty with an outright majority has to be appointed.

To limit the damage to their cause, French President Emmanuel Macron’s centrists and the left-wing New Popular Front alliance will call on their supporters to vote tactically in round two on 7 July. Even if their own candidate has been knocked out, voters will be urged to choose whoever it is in their constituency that is up against the RN.
But the trouble with this kind of party order is that fewer and fewer people listen to them anymore.

This doesn't make sense. The issue is RN or anyone else. If the first-round candidate is knocked out, a voter is unlikely to vote for RN as their policies are so massively different. They may abstain, though, but feelings are more polarised here than over the DItch.

The disappearance of the shame that used to attend a vote for the RN has been a long process, but it can now surely be declared to be complete.

This is completely and utterly false. This is still an open wound in the French psyche athough it may be fading among the young.

As we speak, there are riots in Paris against the FN, sorry RN. Macron predicts civil disturbances if FN win. Bear in mind that yes, he's unpopular, but he's far from being a fool.