Force carbonating into bottles....an alternative thought

[salv]

Hi everyone just registered after reading through a few hundred threads in order to familiarise myself into this world.

I have never done homebrew before but I have always stuck up for it in the past no matter what people of said about it. Probably because of my italian background and remembering my grandparents/uncles making their own wine years many years ago. It tatsted like p*** water but I loved it, haha.


Anyhow a few months I got into a bit of a debate after a few drinks about homebrew. My pals were all laughing at what they called the "saddos" that make this "muck".

I wasnt gonna have this and was saying how its actually a better brew ( I had no idea or evidence at the time about this, just wanted to make a point )

In my drunken haste I also insisted that I could make a beer and wine, serve it up to them and they wouldnt know the difference.

So here I am now.

I need to make a bottled beer, no different (well better) than one that can be purchased. That means no sediment. The reason for this is that I do not want these guys to have a single bad thing to say about my brew.

Now I have read about using a blichman beer gun and corny keg. This sounds great, except I have no room what so ever for a keg, never mind somewhere to cool it down, plus I am also looking at a lot of money before I start.

I can however get hold f one of these for about 40 quid off of someone who got it for xmas but doesnt want it. Its a BEER MACHINE Brewmaster

It comes with a bottling device which I am sure is similar to a poor mans beer gun.

I will in no way consider making my brew in this thing as the reviews on their kits are awful but was wondering do you think it would be possible after fermentation and then possibly the use of a SV to then pour into this into the beer machine and bottle after a few days in the fridge?

Also from what I can tell it looks PETs are ideal for it but do you reckon I could use it with glass bottles ( I ppreciate I may have to hold the bottle when filling)

Anyway, sorry for the long winded first post but thanks for reading and I look forward to your views

 

[RobWalker]

why not get a bottled beer and one of yours, then pour them into glasses? the only way to judge, after all :

 

[salv]

They will simply say "it aint the same" and I will not have made my point.

 

[Ceejay]

Hi everyone just registered after reading through a few hundred threads in order to familiarise myself into this world.

I need to make a bottled beer, no different (well better) than one that can be purchased. That means no sediment. The reason for this is that I do not want these guys to have a single bad thing to say about my brew.

Hi dude. That's not necessarily a requirement here. All "Bottle Conditioned" beers have a thin layer of yeast at the bottom of the bottle. You can get bottle conditioned beers in most supermarkets now - for instance Fullers Bengal Lancer. :thumb: Should make your life a bit easier and cheaper :

You're right though; homebrew done well is way better than many commercial beers. The only thing that a lot of people struggle with is consistency, i.e. being able to brew the same beer again and again and have each batch turn out identical to the last.

 

[salv]

Yes I agree with everything you say, i am convinced and have no issues with that.

But I need to do this as I said to make a point to the others.

For example if I had to take the bottles with me somewhere the sediment would move around (not practical)

Also a couple of the guys are "we only drink from the bottle" type people

 

[bobsbeer]

Welcome. : Having had a quick look at the Beer Machine I see no reason you couldn't brew normally then transfer to the Beer machine and let it carbonate. Then you could fill your bottles without sediment. Without looking more closely I am assuming it fills bottles using the counter pressure method? If not you are knackerd as the saying goes. So if that ain't good enough for them. My view would be to get rid of the time wasters and get some real friends who appreciate good beer. :grin: Good luck.

 

[salv]

I assume it does as it says it "equalises the pressure"

Here is a quote from the description

It also comes with a unique Bottling Transfer System that equalises the pressure and allows you to bottle up your brew quickly without exposing it to any bugs. It even comes with 6 re-usable bottles to make your very own sixer. You'll need C02 Soda Chargers for dispensing and conditioning your beer, there are three of them included. You're also able to monitor the temperature and PSI of your brew - essential for drinking it at the optimum moment.



Just a question. (maybe this is relevent to kegs in general) Does the co2 carbonate the beer as igoes through the tap or while it is in the keg?

 

[alanywiseman.]

While in the keg. If primed or force curbed the co2 gets absorbed into the beer at cool temps over a week or 2

 

[BarnsleyBrewer]

a few months I got into a bit of a debate after a few drinks about homebrew. My pals were all laughing at what they called the "saddos" that make this "muck".

Bring the em along to the spring Thing because most of the brewers on here do finer ales than the big boys. :thumb:

BB :drink:

 

[Dave1970]

for the price of that 'beer machine' you could buy a Corny keg with a portable charger and a party tap fitted with a decent length of 3/16" beer line. At least you'll be left with something useful after proving your point.

I've bottled sediment free beer successfully from a corny with a party tap with a length of 3/8" beer line shoved into the tap to reach to the bottom of the bottle. You need to get everything (beer and bottle) nice and cold, even if you get a bit of air in the bottle it won't matter if you do it on the day you're going to serve it.

Another alternative would be to make a weissbeer, meant to be cloudy so no problem.

 

[rpt]

My view would be to get rid of the time wasters and get some real friends who appreciate good beer. :grin: Good luck.

+1

I take it your friends have no idea what proper beer is and have no wish to educate themselves.