Covid the *** and the final stage.

[Leon103]

My parents have both had the *** and i guess that goes for most here, if i was to go to see them this Easter (and keep a distance) i don't see why i would pose more of a threat than if i went to see them in a care home which they are now allowing with restrictions.

If only the government made decision on individual circumstances

 

[Leon103]

I had my letter my *** is a week sunday. I'm really worried about the side effects of giving up drinking from the 25th till 4 or 5 days after the injection. I've never been without a beer that long since I started

Where does it say that. I wasn't told any of that and it doesn't say that in my note. I had 4 pints of dipa after mine. I was terribly ill. Take 48 hours just in case.

 

[davie887]

I'm in no rush tbh. BIL had his and was rushed to hospital a day later, he's diabetic anyway, toe lost to some mystery infection, not related

I work in education and despite testing twice weekly, took the vid home late December. I had zero symptoms, none. Testing was prompted by my wife, who lost taste and smell.

 

[Rodcx500z]

I had my first *** on 16-2-21 second one is 6-5-21 thats 11 weeks and 2 day, i had the astra *** no side effects at all not even a sore arm, all the bs the eu are spouting will not put me off my next *** the risk off dyeing from covid is 1000 times more than the *** so a no brainer for me at my age, my message to Macron and company is stop killing your own people pick your toys up put them back in your pram and get on with it

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Where does it say that. I wasn't told any of that and it doesn't say that in my note. I had 4 pints of dipa after mine. I was terribly ill. Take 48 hours just in case.

SWMBO had a couple of glasses of wine a few hours arter hers and had no side effects.

 

[Hazelwood Brewery]

I had my letter my *** is a week sunday. I'm really worried about the side effects of giving up drinking from the 25th till 4 or 5 days after the injection. I've never been without a beer that long since I started

I had the same anxiety! I looked everywhere I could think and apart from Drinkaware (maybe don’t ask them for impartial advice on alcohol) the advice was consistently that moderate amounts of alcohol would have no effect. I just cut down the number of pints and selected my lower ABV ales on the day before, the day of the ***, and the day after.

I did have mild feverish side-effects on the night of the *** and still had a mild headache the following day but fine after that.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

Do you think the restrictions will be loosened so we can spend Easter with ours families?

There is zero chance of restrictions being relaxed - any change to the current schedule will be in the form of tightening, not loosening as any "shock" will always be bad. Whether that's a hiccup in vaccine supply as we've seen this week, or (the real threat) a variant emerges which breaks the vaccine sufficiently that everyone needs another *** to counter it.

Getting one *** into the over 50s is a big milestone, it cuts deaths by 90%, but doesn't do much for the epidemic of long Covid that we're facing. And even after 2 months of pretty hard lockdown, there's still plenty of virus going around . We're about back where we were in October when tiers were imposed, the M62 corridor in particular is still not looking great. Take the foot of the gas now, and we'll see a resurgence of cases if not deaths, as a lot of Europe is now experiencing with a third wave.

Its difficult to predict but I heard they are moving on to the over 50's and if they are getting through a minimum of half a million a day it cannot be long before they let families meet again even if in a restricted way.

Looks like they'll pretty much get first jabs into the over 50's by the end of March - but there was always going to be a pause then, just because the focus is then going to switch to getting second jabs into the over 50's, and first jabs for under 50's will come from whatever jabbing capacity is left over. Which was mostly going to come from the AZ delivery from India, but without that it's understandable they're being cautious and effectively saying "no under 50 jabs until the end of April" for the time being. There probably will be some, but second jabs are the priority right now.

My parents have both had the *** and i guess that goes for most here, if i was to go to see them this Easter (and keep a distance) i don't see why i would pose more of a threat than if i went to see them in a care home which they are now allowing with restrictions.

Well after 29 March we'll be into Step 1 and the rule of 6 or 2 households outside. But you've got to be a bit careful saying "X is allowed therefore Y should be allowed". From a purely health POV, we should be completely locked down til everyone's jabbed. In the real world you have to trade off the health benefits with the social and economic costs, but the less contact we have the better for now.

There's going to be a few months of generational conflict, as the jabbed feel free to party but the younger generation are still vulnerable. Perhaps the best way to look at it is that the under 50's have put up with a year of pretty hard lockdown so that the over 50's don't die, now the over 50's can repay the favour by accepting three months of softer lockdown so that the under 50's don't get long Covid.

My one concern is getting the second *** within the time limit of 12 weeks, seeing as WHO said that was the absolute limit and it should be more like 3 or 4 weeks. Especially if there is a shortage on the horizon.

Don't worry about the shortage from that POV, there's enough to cover second jabs, the shortfall of AZ from India only affects the 40-somethings who will see their first jabs pushed back from April to May.

Also you have to remember that the "normal" spacing for adenovirus vaccines like Oxford-AZ and J&J is 3-4 months (and up to 6 months or more can be OK), the spacing was only cut to three weeks for the trial to speed it up. It's not like some fish going off in the fridge, if anything you'll get a better immune response from waiting longer.

There was more of a concern about delaying the Pfizer and Moderna jabs beyond three weeks, because they use mRNA which is less stable and as new technology we just weren't really sure how it would work in the real world. But the technology has come through for us and it seems to be OK, I suspect that it's because the response to the first *** is so good that the timing of the second is far less critical.

And when you're listening to manufacturers and the authorities talking about these things, you have to remember that they are mostly talking for the benefit of lawyers who want to sue for £billions, so they always play it by the book, with the minimum of risk. But that model doesn't always work in a wartime situation where doing things by the book can also get people killed. As is probably happening in places like Spain and Serbia, who are concentrating on getting 2 jabs into the oldest groups, at the expense of people in their 60s and 70s, some of whom will die as a result.

 

[Galena]

I have just had my first ***, they have run out of the Astrazeneca and Pfizer vaccines so offered me the Russian vaccine which is apparently now coming into the UK though not certain if it is officially approved yet safety wise.


No side effects so far though I Кажется, у меня есть проблемы с написанием, хотя я уверен, что это не имеет ничего общего с вакциной.
Kazhetsya, u menya yest' problemy s napisaniyem, khotya ya uveren, chto eto ne imeyet nichego obshchego s vaktsinoy.

 

[Keats]

I had my *** yesterday. Was there for less than 10 minutes and at least 20 people must have been vaccinated in that time. The doctor was saying there hasn’t been one wasted dose since the vaccine roll out at that site. I had a similar experience to @Hazelwood Brewery woke up in the early hours with achy legs and (mild) temperature swings and just couldn’t get back to sleep. Feel ok now though apart from being tired.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

I had my *** yesterday. Was there for less than 10 minutes and at least 20 people must have been vaccinated in that time. The doctor was saying there hasn’t been one wasted dose since the vaccine roll out at that site. I had a similar experience to @Hazelwood Brewery woke up in the early hours with achy legs and (mild) temperature swings and just couldn’t get back to sleep. Feel ok now though apart from being tired.

Just shows how good the NHS is. They should have let them sort out their own PPE.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

A GP surgery on Teesside received more than 126,000 calls in one day inquiring about Covid-19 vaccinations, health chiefs have revealed.

Other sites across the region have also reported a "deluge" of similar calls.

There are concerns this could be preventing patients with urgent healthcare needs from getting through.

People are being reminded that GPs do not control vaccine supply or arrange appointments through the national booking system.

'Patient patient' plea

Dr Janet Walker, medical director at NHS Tees Valley Clinical Commissioning Group, said: "The number of calls practices are getting from people inquiring about the vaccine is absolutely overwhelming, with one practice receiving over 126,000 calls in one day.

"We are asking people again - please, please do not phone your practice about vaccinations.

"Responding to these calls is blocking phone lines and stopping the most vulnerable in our communities, who need urgent medical help, from getting through."

• When will it be my turn to be vaccinated?
• Why is the EU warning the UK over vaccines?
• How will we know Covid vaccines are safe?

Referring to the national booking system, Dr Walker said: "All appointments are updated daily in line with vaccine delivery, so please keep checking online if you are eligible for the vaccine and your preferred option is not available first time.

"For people who would rather be vaccinated by their local GP services, we ask that you please be a patient patient - when it is your turn to receive a vaccination, be assured you will be contacted directly."

BBC News.

 

[Galena]

"We are asking people again - please, please do not phone your practice about vaccination

Well, I totally agree, however......
My wife received a letter, she went online and booked the first and second vaccine and has had the first weeks ago.
I was expecting my letter but 2 weeks or more went by and no letter, I heard they were rolling out 55+ (I am 62) so I went online and sure enough the NHS websiite said, if you are 55 or over you can now book an online vaccination, so I followed the link, entered my details and was told I was not recognised. So effectively I was not in the system at all.
What to do? Well I called the surgery, the same one as my wife is registered at incidentally and was told they were just beginning to roll out 60-64, we are both in this age group. They had no idea why my wife got her invite, she is not in a vulnerable group or anything.
I got my invite the next day.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

 

[Keats]

Just shows how good the NHS is. They should have let them sort out their own PPE.

Yes I was really impressed with how well it was all organised. Plenty of people there to show everyone where to go and to keep everything moving along quickly.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I am shortly going to have my vaccine and as 17 million people in the UK and EU have had this vaccine and the cases of people with serious side effect are less than what would be the norm i wont let the latest news put me off, are there any members having second thoughts?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Here are the latest headlines from the UK and around the world.

• Half of all adults in the UK have received their first dose of the Covid vaccine, according to Health Secretary Matt Hancock, with a record number of people vaccinated on Friday - including PM Boris Johnson
• Fears of a third wave in Europe are becoming a reality. Both France and Poland have reintroduced partial lockdowns as Covid infections soar. Coronavirus cases are also rising exponentially in Germany, with lockdown measures likely to be reimposed
• Transport Secretary Grant Shapps says is is "too early" to say whether Britons will be able to go abroad for their holidays this summer. Experts have suggested reopening the borders to international travel poses a huge risk, given the slow vaccine rollout in Europe and the potential of bringing back new variants
• A member of the UK government's vaccine taskforce has described France's approach to the Oxford-AstraZeneca *** as "crackers". Sir John Bell said the constantly changing advice was undermining confidence in the entire vaccination programme
• No international fans will be permitted at the delayed 2020 Tokyo Olympics and Paralympics being held this summer because of concerns over the coronavirus pandemic, organisers have said

 

[Chippy_Tea]

France and Poland have reintroduced partial lockdowns as both countries battle a sharp rise in Covid infections in recent weeks.
Some 21 million people in 16 areas of France, including the capital Paris, are affected as the country fears a third wave.
In Poland, non-essential shops, hotels, cultural and sporting facilities are now closed for three weeks.
The country has the highest new daily rates of Covid cases since November.
Coronavirus cases are also rising exponentially in Germany, with Chancellor Angela Merkel warning it is likely that the country will now need to apply an "emergency brake" and re-impose lockdown measures.

• Covid wave intensifies in Central Europe
• Why is the EU having vaccine problems?

The vaccine rollout across the European Union has been hindered by delayed deliveries, as well as the suspension in several countries of the use of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, over fears of possible side effects.

What's the situation in France and Poland?
In France, the partial lockdown took effect from midnight on Friday.
Trains leaving Paris for parts of the country where lockdown restrictions do not apply, such as Brittany and Lyon, were reportedly fully booked hours before the measures were due to come into effect.
Traffic jams were reported on several roads leaving the capital.
The new restrictions are not be as strict as the previous lockdown, with people allowed to exercise outdoors.
Non-essential businesses are shut, but schools remain open, along with hairdressers if they follow a "particular sanitary protocol".
France has reported more than 4.2 million infections since the start of the outbreak, with nearly 92,000 Covid-related deaths, according to the data compiled by Johns Hopkins University in the US.

Full article - Covid: France and Poland increase lockdown measures as infections surge

 

[Rodcx500z]

I am shortly going to have my vaccine and as 17 million people in the UK and EU have had this vaccine and the cases of people with serious side effect are less than what would be the norm i wont let the latest news put me off, are there any members having second thoughts?

no second thoughts here Chippy 6th of May i get my second dose and off on uk holiday day after now thats confidence, old Macaroni face in France can go f--k himself

 

[Chippy_Tea]

no second thoughts here Chippy 6th of May i get my second dose and off on uk holiday day after now thats confidence, old Macaroni face in France can go f--k himself

Nice one.
First *** for me and no worries whatsoever.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Dr Guenther Schoenrich, deputy director of the Institute of Virology at the Charite Hospital in Berlin, has told the BBC another lockdown in Germany is inevitable.

"It looks like that we have no choice because the virus is spreading and, as already pointed out, we have a new variant, the variant that has been first detected in the UK, also now here in German," he said.

Dr Schoenrich said it was harder to prevent the the British variant from spreading as it is "more transmissible", adding the situation was exacerbated because "at the same time we have not enough people vaccinated so far".

Partial lockdowns were reintroduced in France and Poland on Saturday, as many European countries face the prospect of a third wave.

Germany is seeing an exponential rise in cases, with infections on the Czech border more than 15 times the government's target.