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It amazes me how much traction flat earth is getting from people.. and its utterly bonkers. I heard one guy say if the earth was a globe, we wouldn;t need to drive from scotland to london, he'd sit in a ball and roll down and use his brakes as he approached London

I suppose he also thinks if he stands at the front of the carriage on a train travelling at 100 miles and hour and jumps he’ll land at the back of the carriage 🙄
 
It amazes me how much traction flat earth is getting from people.. and its utterly bonkers. I heard one guy say if the earth was a globe, we wouldn;t need to drive from scotland to london, he'd sit in a ball and roll down and use his brakes as he approached London
That happens, doesn't it? I swear I use more fuel travelling North.
 
Again: People should not just be doing what they are told is the minimum necessary, they should be doing everything that they can. If you disagree with that, I'd love to hear your reasons.



OK you didn't discuss other Tesco stores just the one you were in.

The edited version of my earlier reply -

My son works in Tesco they are not allowed to mingle in the till areas or any other area without face coverings, if they are ignoring the rules in yours you need to take your compliant further up the management ladder as the person you complained to is obviously ignoring you or they are not taking it seriously which I find very hard to believe considering the rules in place at my son's store.

There is no need for staff to wear face coverings when behind the screens you shouldn't be that close to them that them not wearing them becomes an issue.
 
Couldn’t agree more. It has been very confusing and conflicting aswell as being used as a political football since the start. When really it should be the whole country singing from the same hymn sheet. Covid knows no borders in the UK. We all have friends colleagues or relatives in different parts.

Covid respects is a moving feast, I can not see any government could make firm decision that are desired and predictive.

Coalition yes makes a lot of sense but just be a bun fight.... little agreement, I hate the way politics is used so much in health fight like this. Advice is based on the science but even the scientists can to agree, no surprise there. On one hand the government is told to short notice and on another , why have you not done it already, constant carping, no one is satisfied with anything anymore. I believe that education is very important and should if at all possible be kept open in schools colleges universities, but when it comes to a point where that is no possible (led by the science and the stats) then a decision is made, not a political point.
 
Yep definitely agree on education. Online learning last time was pants. My kids go to a very good school, infact arguably one of the best in Scotland, even then online learning was terrible.

I also have a few friends who are teachers and lecturers, they are quite stereotypical leftie Union types and have been wanting the schools closed the whole time. I get their point on being faced with 30 kids from diff household. But then you look at supermarket workers on near min wage facing hundreds of people everyday.

My 2 pence to teachers is therefore, if you don’t want to teach then you shouldn’t expect to be paid. I personally thought it was a disgrace they didn’t open up the schools in summer, virus was very low then and kids had lost months of education, but the teachers still wanted their massive holidays in the summer even though they could barely go anywhere and had done in my opinion hardly any work since March on full pay while the rest of the economy was in its knees and folk lost their jobs and livelihoods all around.

Schools aren’t going to open till Easter in Scotland or England. Absolutely no chance is the unions going to allow it. If this is the case schools should open in the summer.
 
Yep definitely agree on education. Online learning last time was pants. My kids go to a very good school, infact arguably one of the best in Scotland, even then online learning was terrible.

I also have a few friends who are teachers and lecturers, they are quite stereotypical leftie Union types and have been wanting the schools closed the whole time. I get their point on being faced with 30 kids from diff household. But then you look at supermarket workers on near min wage facing hundreds of people everyday.

My 2 pence to teachers is therefore, if you don’t want to teach then you shouldn’t expect to be paid. I personally thought it was a disgrace they didn’t open up the schools in summer, virus was very low then and kids had lost months of education, but the teachers still wanted their massive holidays in the summer even though they could barely go anywhere and had done in my opinion hardly any work since March on full pay while the rest of the economy was in its knees and folk lost their jobs and livelihoods all around.

Schools aren’t going to open till Easter in Scotland or England. Absolutely no chance is the unions going to allow it. If this is the case schools should open in the summer.
I think at least they could have shortened the holiday length to try and make up for lost time. When virus levels were lower and i was easier to ventilate classrooms
 
It's not just about the (relatively) well paid teachers. What about the support staff - cooks, cleaners, etc. that are on minimum wage? Do they not count?
Yep off course. The sooner they vaccinate the venerable the better. I employ a guy who’s missis works in a care home, min wage job also, they haven’t had a outbreak- however on new years day the boy got positive for covid and GF negative. He has absolutely no symptoms whatsoever, so now the GF obv has to self isolate and gets zero pay!

There was meant to be £500 grant for self isolating, but the Scots government changed the rules in November to say it’s only people on the dole who can get the grant. Makes no sense whatsoever! So it seems to me that folk on min wages or precarious employment are the hardest hit. Certainly not teachers or anyone who works in the public services.
 
My friend's parents are refusing the vaccine. She's really, upset, and so am I. Their logic is that they've never had a flu vaccine and have never had the flu. The I don't wear a seatbelt, I've never had a crash argument again which bellends use as a defence. Urghhh, she's not a dotty old cow, either, which would make it more understandable. Side-effect is that we now know her oldest daughter IS an anti-vaxxer and is starting to get into tripe like flat earth. One of the most depressing things about covid is finding out how thick people are.

I'm trying to get really good links to vitamin D studies for her because she was diagnosed as deficient over a year ago. Again you'd think there'd be a much stronger message out there to take it. That "How to Boost Your Immune System" thing on last night was absolute crap. And soooo slow.

https://www.nutraingredients.com/Ar...d-Covid-19-open-letter-to-world-s-governments
The Carlin Principle in action (abridged version):

Geo. Carlin: "Think about this: think about how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of 'em are stupider than that"

To my great shame, my sister actually believes that 5G is a problem (it isn't re SARS-CoV-2), and that "the vaccine will contain microchips" (have you seen the size of a "microchip"?? It won't), and that "the NHS COVID-19 app you can put on your 'phone tracks your whereabouts" (it doesn't; the code is publicly available on github, and must be some of the most scrutinised in existence).

Argh!
 
Why the knocking of the teachers? I'm not a teacher, but I know and care about people who are. And they work bloody hard, weekends and evenings marking and planning. They have to perform in front of a bunch of increasingly disaffected kids day in day out, put up with obnoxious parents, no break to speak of in the day as they have to supervise children at breaktimes. Generous holidays? Don't make me laugh, they've all been planning in the holidays trying to second guess what this incompetent shower we have in government are going to do. And to compare their risk to that of supermarket staff...... words fail me. I wouldn't do what they do! And it appears that they don't want to either. They're leaving in their droves Third of teachers leaving the profession within 5 years
 
The Carlin Principle in action (abridged version):

Geo. Carlin: "Think about this: think about how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of 'em are stupider than that"

To my great shame, my sister actually believes that 5G is a problem (it isn't re SARS-CoV-2), and that "the vaccine will contain microchips" (have you seen the size of a "microchip"?? It won't), and that "the NHS COVID-19 app you can put on your 'phone tracks your whereabouts" (it doesn't; the code is publicly available on github, and must be some of the most scrutinised in existence).

Argh!
Whatever you do, dissuade her from becoming infected by the Qanon conspiracies theories! (They have one for every occasion).
They will believe anything for which there is NO evidence - such as Paedophile child blood drinking lizard Satan worshipping etc. etc. cabal. So one of them shot an employee and refused to credit the evidence that there were no children held in the Washington Pizza hut. Remember that one?
 
Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said it is "excellent news" that a third coronavirus vaccine has been approved for use in the UK.

It is made by US company Moderna and works in a similar way to the Pfizer one already being offered on the NHS.
The UK has pre-ordered 17 million doses of the Moderna vaccine - 10 million more than planned - but supplies are not expected to arrive until spring.
It is the last Covid vaccine with final trial data published.
There are hundreds still in development, with some expected to report findings in the near future.
Around 1.5 million people in the UK have had at least one dose of a Covid vaccine so far, with either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines already approved by UK regulators.
That figure includes almost a quarter of those aged over 80 in England - people at highest risk of severe illness or death from the virus.

Full article - Moderna becomes third Covid vaccine approved in the UK - BBC News


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The spread of Covid in London is "out of control" according to Sadiq Khan, who has declared a "major incident".

The coronavirus infection rate in London has exceeded 1,000 per 100,000 people, based on the latest figures from Public Health England.
However, the Office for National Statistics recently estimated as many as 1 in 30 Londoners has coronavirus.
Mr Khan told BBC political reporter Karl Mercer that the figure is as high as 1 in 20 in some parts of London.
Major incidents have previously been called for the Grenfell Tower fire in June 2017 and the terror attacks at Westminster Bridge and London Bridge.

'My heart is broken'
A major incident is any emergency that requires the implementation of special arrangements by one or all of the emergency services, the NHS or the local authority.
It means the emergency services and hospitals cannot guarantee their normal level of response.
Currently, there are more than 7,000 people in hospital with Covid-19, the mayor said.
This is a 35% increase compared to last April's peak of the pandemic, he added.
Dr Samantha Batt-Rawden, a senior intensive care registrar at Royal London Hospital, tweeted: "We tried. We really tried. NHS staff pleaded with people that Christmas is not worth it. Now one in 30 people in London have Covid and ICUs are overwhelmed. My heart is broken."

Full article - Covid-19: 'Major incident' declared by London Mayor Sadiq Khan - BBC News

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All international passengers will soon have to test negative for Covid-19 before travelling to the UK.

People arriving by plane, train or boat, including UK nationals, will have to take a test up to 72 hours before leaving the country they are in.
Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said travellers "can't board... without having that negative test".
But even with a negative test, arrivals from countries not on the travel corridor list must still quarantine.
Mr Shapps said the government was "very keen" to set up compulsory testing now because of the new variant of the virus circulating in South Africa, which he said was "causing great concern with the scientists".
"They're not sure whether, for example, the vaccine will be able to deal with it in the first place, and we're very, very keen to keep it out," he told BBC Breakfast.
The new variant prevalent in South Africa has got some potentially concerning changes that experts are closely monitoring. While it is extremely unlikely the mutations would render vaccines useless, scientists are doing tests to make sure immunisation will still work well.
Even in the worst case scenario, vaccines can be redesigned and tweaked in a matter of weeks or months to be a better match if necessary, experts say.

It comes after a further 1,162 deaths within 28 days of a positive test were reported in the UK on Thursday - the second consecutive day of more than 1,000 recorded fatalities. There were also 52,618 new cases.
The R number - the average number of people that one infected person will infect - is now between one and 1.4, scientists have estimated.
Amid the surge in cases, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has pledged to offer "hundreds of thousands" of Covid vaccines per day in England by 15 January. On Friday, a third vaccine - made by Moderna - was approved for use in the UK.

Full article - Covid-19: Travellers to UK will need to show negative test result - BBC News
 
It's not just about the (relatively) well paid teachers. What about the support staff - cooks, cleaners, etc. that are on minimum wage? Do they not count?
Absolutely, perhaps if the school had an AM session and a PM session - school meals would not have to be provided thus saving the need to provide a meal in school - that would surely had allowed a team of cleaners to blast through and sanitise before the PM session?
 
The spread of Covid in London is "out of control" according to Sadiq Khan, who has declared a "major incident".

The coronavirus infection rate in London has exceeded 1,000 per 100,000 people, based on the latest figures from Public Health England.
However, the Office for National Statistics recently estimated as many as 1 in 30 Londoners has coronavirus.
Mr Khan told BBC political reporter Karl Mercer that the figure is as high as 1 in 20 in some parts of London.
Major incidents have previously been called for the Grenfell Tower fire in June 2017 and the terror attacks at Westminster Bridge and London Bridge.

'My heart is broken'
A major incident is any emergency that requires the implementation of special arrangements by one or all of the emergency services, the NHS or the local authority.
It means the emergency services and hospitals cannot guarantee their normal level of response.
Currently, there are more than 7,000 people in hospital with Covid-19, the mayor said.
This is a 35% increase compared to last April's peak of the pandemic, he added.
Dr Samantha Batt-Rawden, a senior intensive care registrar at Royal London Hospital, tweeted: "We tried. We really tried. NHS staff pleaded with people that Christmas is not worth it. Now one in 30 people in London have Covid and ICUs are overwhelmed. My heart is broken."

Full article - Covid-19: 'Major incident' declared by London Mayor Sadiq Khan - BBC News

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MyQul - get out if you can. I hope he's ok not heard from him for a while asad.
 
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