simon12
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We do seem to be all in for a vaccine ignoring anything that could be used as a preventative or treatment.
Covid-19 the second wave.
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simon12
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What do you guys make of this
sorry its very long for the point
sorry its very long for the point
I was under the impression this is going to the same as the flu no cure but an annual vaccine to keep the majority safe.
Yeah. I never for one minute ever thought it would go away. Nor do I believe we will be bac to 2019 like living for many years.
Not in any way anti vaxxer but I am happy for those in need having it frist and even if I have to wait 2 years I don't mind.
FWIW and I am only going off that chart we saw the Oxford looks like a good *** for worldwide distribution.
If its an annual *** and they can *** up to 1m a week.. I guess it will be a case of jabbing the weaker and vulnerable types and the health care workers and over 50s covering probably 95% of those at serious risk of it
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It's still early days, but it seems likely that the vaccines are good enough that we won't need annual jabs. Maybe a booster every 5-10 years like tetanus or something, maybe it will be good enough for life, we don't know yet.
But viruses are tough for drugs, you generally have cheap pills that don't really work, or fancy injections that are very expensive and sort-of work to improve symptoms for serious cases. AIUI the idea of the Boots pills is that they coat your nose in a film that makes it harder for nasties to get in, they're not "killing" the virus as such.
Linalmeemow
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Won't the wider scope of the vaccine mean the virus is more likely to die out than flu though? I only started having flu jabs a few years ago when they were offered free through work, I'd hazard a guess that's the same for most people with only a relatively small percentage of the population covered. If there's more widespread coverage (50-60%?) isn't it more likely to die out as the R number falls?
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That's the hope but a) it's early days, so I really wouldn't even be taking the abacus to the chicken house yet, let alone counting chickens in that regard and b) we're several years away from reaching that kind of %age of vaccinations at a global level.
The government is "absolutely confident" the UK will have 800,000 coronavirus vaccine doses by next week, when the vaccination programme starts, the business secretary has said.
Alok Sharma said some of the Pfizer/BioNTech doses had arrived, with more expected by the end of the year.
He was unable to say how many that will be.
NHS Providers said the UK must work on the basis that more doses beyond this might not arrive "for some time".
Chief executive Chris Hopson tweeted that it was "vital" hospitals sought to vaccinate as many people as possible in the highest priority groups.
He added that with "every day that goes past, we become more confident we will get a lot more [doses] and get them soon".
It comes as official data showed infection levels were falling in all English regions, except the North East.
Government figures suggest the R number - the average number of people each person with Covid-19 goes on to infect - has fallen to between 0.8 and 1 in the UK, from between 0.9 and 1 last week.
Full article - Covid-19: UK 'confident' of having 800,000 vaccine doses by next week
Alok Sharma said some of the Pfizer/BioNTech doses had arrived, with more expected by the end of the year.
He was unable to say how many that will be.
NHS Providers said the UK must work on the basis that more doses beyond this might not arrive "for some time".
Chief executive Chris Hopson tweeted that it was "vital" hospitals sought to vaccinate as many people as possible in the highest priority groups.
He added that with "every day that goes past, we become more confident we will get a lot more [doses] and get them soon".
It comes as official data showed infection levels were falling in all English regions, except the North East.
Government figures suggest the R number - the average number of people each person with Covid-19 goes on to infect - has fallen to between 0.8 and 1 in the UK, from between 0.9 and 1 last week.
Full article - Covid-19: UK 'confident' of having 800,000 vaccine doses by next week
This worrying if it's true COVID deaths in Italy hit record high as nation imposes 10pm curfew on New Year's Eve (msn.com)
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Looks like i will be waiting a while before its my turn.
Oneflewover
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Don't admin of essential forums get priority!
Police break up huge party at outdoor Christmas market under Tier 3 restrictions (msn.com) we will need more than a vaccine after this, same in London, i have now given up hope, prepare for lockdown 3
I saw that earlier.
Nottingham's controversial Christmas market has "temporarily" closed - just one day after it opened.
Mellors Group, who organised the event, said it made the decision following "unprecedented high footfall".
The Winter Wonderland opened on Saturday despite concerns from residents about holding the event while the city is in tier three of coronavirus restrictions.
A night time economy expert said people had been defecating in doorways.
The market was set to run from 10:00 to 21:00 GMT every day until Christmas Eve.
The decision for the market to go ahead came as similar events in other cities were cancelled including in Birmingham and Manchester.
Nottingham's controversial Christmas market has "temporarily" closed - just one day after it opened.
Mellors Group, who organised the event, said it made the decision following "unprecedented high footfall".
The Winter Wonderland opened on Saturday despite concerns from residents about holding the event while the city is in tier three of coronavirus restrictions.
A night time economy expert said people had been defecating in doorways.
The market was set to run from 10:00 to 21:00 GMT every day until Christmas Eve.
The decision for the market to go ahead came as similar events in other cities were cancelled including in Birmingham and Manchester.
Self-isolation for contacts of people with confirmed coronavirus will be shortened from 14 to 10 days across the UK from Monday.
The change will also apply to people instructed to quarantine after returning from high-risk countries.
And it means anyone who has been self-isolating for 10 days or more will be able to end their quarantine on Monday.
The announcement comes as data shows Covid cases falling in most of England and Northern Ireland.
But the Office for National Statistics (ONS) figures show that in the week to 5 December, there were increases in coronavirus case numbers in London and the east of England.
Meanwhile, new data shows the virus's reproduction or R number is back at levels seen two weeks ago (0.9 - 1) meaning the epidemic is not growing, but it's not really shrinking either.
On Thursday, Health Secretary Matt Hancock announced mass testing would be rolled out for secondary school children, their families and teachers in the worst-affected areas of London, Kent and Essex where cases are rising.
The change in self-isolation rules was announced in a statement from the four UK chief medical officers (CMOs) said: "After reviewing the evidence, we are now confident that we can reduce the number of days that contacts self-isolate from 14 days to 10.
"People who return from countries which are not on the travel corridor list should also self-isolate for 10 days instead of 14 days."
Each of the four nations has its own lists of "travel corridor" countries which are exempt from the quarantine rules. While in the main, they include the same countries, they can differ slightly.
The change to self-isolation rules has already been announced in Wales, but this new announcement will apply to all four nations.
Those with symptoms or a positive test are already expected to isolate for 10 days.
The NHS app in England will not update its 14-day counter until next Thursday.
Because there will be a time-lag before it updates, anyone who has been advised to isolate by the app can leave isolation if their countdown timer hits three days between Monday and Thursday.
People are most infectious around the time they first develop symptoms and by day 10, only about 2% will still be capable of passing on the virus to others.
The change in the rules reflects this low risk, which was judged not to justify asking people to self-isolate for longer periods.
Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England Dr Jenny Harries said the science was based on "a continuous accumulation of evidence through the pandemic".
She said the "tail end" of an infection was the period someone was least likely to transmit infection.
BBC News.
The change will also apply to people instructed to quarantine after returning from high-risk countries.
And it means anyone who has been self-isolating for 10 days or more will be able to end their quarantine on Monday.
The announcement comes as data shows Covid cases falling in most of England and Northern Ireland.
But the Office for National Statistics (ONS) figures show that in the week to 5 December, there were increases in coronavirus case numbers in London and the east of England.
Meanwhile, new data shows the virus's reproduction or R number is back at levels seen two weeks ago (0.9 - 1) meaning the epidemic is not growing, but it's not really shrinking either.
On Thursday, Health Secretary Matt Hancock announced mass testing would be rolled out for secondary school children, their families and teachers in the worst-affected areas of London, Kent and Essex where cases are rising.
The change in self-isolation rules was announced in a statement from the four UK chief medical officers (CMOs) said: "After reviewing the evidence, we are now confident that we can reduce the number of days that contacts self-isolate from 14 days to 10.
"People who return from countries which are not on the travel corridor list should also self-isolate for 10 days instead of 14 days."
Each of the four nations has its own lists of "travel corridor" countries which are exempt from the quarantine rules. While in the main, they include the same countries, they can differ slightly.
The change to self-isolation rules has already been announced in Wales, but this new announcement will apply to all four nations.
Those with symptoms or a positive test are already expected to isolate for 10 days.
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The NHS app in England will not update its 14-day counter until next Thursday.
Because there will be a time-lag before it updates, anyone who has been advised to isolate by the app can leave isolation if their countdown timer hits three days between Monday and Thursday.
People are most infectious around the time they first develop symptoms and by day 10, only about 2% will still be capable of passing on the virus to others.
The change in the rules reflects this low risk, which was judged not to justify asking people to self-isolate for longer periods.
Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England Dr Jenny Harries said the science was based on "a continuous accumulation of evidence through the pandemic".
She said the "tail end" of an infection was the period someone was least likely to transmit infection.
BBC News.
A "test and dine" pilot has been proposed in Birmingham in a bid to help the struggling hospitality sector.
The scheme, put forward by the city council, would see people wanting to eat out tested for Covid-19 a few hours earlier.
It comes as hospitality businesses in the city consider legal action after being forced to close under tier three measures.
The plans, at a very early stage, would need to be approved by government.
Birmingham City Council leader Ian Ward told a regional Covid-19 briefing on Friday that the local authority was discussing the idea.
"We would pilot it initially with a very small number of restaurants," Mr Ward said. "If it worked we would look to expand that going forward.
"If people book a seat at one of those restaurants to eat out, we would allow them to be tested, and provided they tested negative and the booking was within six hours of that test, then they would be able to go and dine at that particular restaurant."
Mike Olley, who runs the Westside Business Improvement District, which supports local firms, said he would welcome any scheme to help the city's hospitality industry.
"I don't doubt the sincerity of the council," he said. "It's a plan, it's something. At least they're thinking outside of the box."
However he raised questions about who would pay for the tests and how restaurants and bars could apply to take part in the pilot.
Tier three measures have been "devastating" for hospitality, he said.
"We've got bars, restaurants, casinos, theatres which are all incredibly safe areas and they're not trading, yet they're still having to pay out massive overheads."
The council said it believed the scheme could help businesses, but it has not yet made clear the finer details of the plans.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-55280142
The scheme, put forward by the city council, would see people wanting to eat out tested for Covid-19 a few hours earlier.
It comes as hospitality businesses in the city consider legal action after being forced to close under tier three measures.
The plans, at a very early stage, would need to be approved by government.
Birmingham City Council leader Ian Ward told a regional Covid-19 briefing on Friday that the local authority was discussing the idea.
"We would pilot it initially with a very small number of restaurants," Mr Ward said. "If it worked we would look to expand that going forward.
"If people book a seat at one of those restaurants to eat out, we would allow them to be tested, and provided they tested negative and the booking was within six hours of that test, then they would be able to go and dine at that particular restaurant."
Mike Olley, who runs the Westside Business Improvement District, which supports local firms, said he would welcome any scheme to help the city's hospitality industry.
"I don't doubt the sincerity of the council," he said. "It's a plan, it's something. At least they're thinking outside of the box."
However he raised questions about who would pay for the tests and how restaurants and bars could apply to take part in the pilot.
Tier three measures have been "devastating" for hospitality, he said.
"We've got bars, restaurants, casinos, theatres which are all incredibly safe areas and they're not trading, yet they're still having to pay out massive overheads."
The council said it believed the scheme could help businesses, but it has not yet made clear the finer details of the plans.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-55280142
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What a stupid idea.
If customers pay for testing and it's not stopping others getting results back quickly I don't see a problem but that's a lot of ifs
