Climate Change

[MrJay83]

Didn't Al Gore buy a 9 million dollar mansion on the California coast right after his film warning about sea levels rising

Pretty sure Obama did similar as well. I'll take it seriously when all the people telling us to be cold and eat ze bugs give up their private planes & multiple mansions.

 

[Bosch]

Did Al Gore tell you that? I'm pretty sure this year was one of the best grain harvests on record.

Nope, listened to an interview with military historian Gywnne Dyer about possible flash points for future wars.

I think the book he was promoting was climate wars.

 

[Bosch]

Aw here's the podcast.
Fascinating listening

 

[pilgrimhudd]

Didn't Al Gore buy a 9 million dollar mansion on the California ocean front, right after his film warning about imminent sea level rises?

Looks far enough from the sea to me. Unless there's a mega tsunami but I don't think you can mitigate all risk.

https://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/al-gores-house-2/view/google/

 

[MrJay83]

Nope, listened to an interview with military historian Gywnne Dyer about possible flash points for future wars.

I think the book he was promoting was climate wars.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be cheeky but I'm a bit skeptical after living through all the other predictions of climate disaster that didn't materialise. Should we look after our planet?... Of course. Should we be taxed into oblivion and told to buy unaffordable technologies while the people telling us to do so swan around in private jets, yachts and have multiple grand properties? No.

 

[Stan's Brew]

The eco-alarmists as as good at predicting the future as the banks are at managing the economy

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/50-y...c-predictions-the-so-called-experts-are-0-50/

 

[pilgrimhudd]

The eco-alarmists as as good at predicting the future as the banks are at managing the economy

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/50-y...c-predictions-the-so-called-experts-are-0-50/

I'm not going to go though all 50, but the first (and only one i've looked at) number 50 on that list, states 'Washington Post predicted Cherry Blossom blooming in winter'. If you click on the link to the actual Washington post headline, the headline reads 'Could Cherry Blossoms one day blossom in winter?' and the article goes on to talk about how blossoms bloom quicker and and have bloomed earlier in the last few years than in previous decades.

I'm not saying there aren't climate alarmists though.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

Did Al Gore tell you that? I'm pretty sure this year was one of the best grain harvests on record.

Depends where you are - it's been OK in the UK as we're at the northern limits for wheat growing, but it's been tough in Europe and there's been some real problems in the US.

Just a couple of randoms :
French maize yields down 19% this year
French sugar beet production down 13.6%
Romanian wheat down 18%
Californian tomatoes down 14% on their forecasts
Half of Californian rice was not even planted due to drought :
The west side of the Sacramento Valley, where he grows rice, took the brunt of the water reductions. Some 600 square miles, or 370,000 acres, in the region did not get planted this year, according to the Northern California Water Association. Farms in the Glenn-Colusa Irrigation District planted just 1,000 acres of rice when they typically grow about 100,000 acres, said Bransford, who serves as district board president.
As a result of the reduced water deliveries to farms, rice production statewide has fallen 50%, to about 250,000 acres, the California Rice Commission estimated. Drought impacts this year are expected to cause a loss of some 14,300 jobs and about $1.3 billion in economic profit, according to the University of California, Davis.

 

[dad_of_jon]

from the first 2 pages of google. lots of doom and gloom isn't good for your mental health I'm not sure why MSM wants to do this apart from following the money as they say. Here's a bit of balance

https://www.farmersguide.co.uk/latest-estimates-show-crop-yields-up-55-on-last-year/https://www.nass.usda.gov/Newsroom/2022/01-12-2022.phphttps://www.cbs.nl/en-gb/news/2022/04/gross-seed-onion-yield-nearly-12-percent-up
yin and yang
up and down
good news, bad news.
whilst our days are getting shorter in aus they are getting longer.

The world is not 100% great or crape. Just like everything in life.

 

[MrJay83]

Had to have a look at the Romanian one because I often travel there with my wife and didn't notice it any hotter than usual the last couple of years (brutally hot country in summer). That figure is only down on the year before. Check out their average figures pre 2010 and post. The change in output is remarkable.

 

[Polcho]

We are flying through space at 67000 mph and spinning at 1000 mph anybody expecting everything to stay the same is a tad optimistic in my view.
There were 3 billion people on earth when I was born, there is about 9 billion now, that’s a lot of carbon dioxide and methane.
When I was at school, we were getting ready for another ice age.

 

[pilgrimhudd]

Had to have a look at the Romanian one because I often travel there with my wife and didn't notice it any hotter than usual the last couple of years (brutally hot country in summer). That figure is only down on the year before. Check out their average figures pre 2010 and post. The change in output is remarkable

Probably due to them joining the EU i'd imagine.

 

[MrJay83]

Probably due to them joining the EU i'd imagine.

Interestingly they are exporting multiples outside the EU compared to their entire crop pre EU membership. Now we'll probably hear from COP that they need to reduce agricultural emissions all while failing to tell us (some might say purposely) that their dramatic increase in agricultural emissions is due to feeding the ever increasing world population.

 

[dad_of_jon]

We are flying through space at 67000 mph and spinning at 1000 mph anybody expecting everything to stay the same is a tad optimistic in my view.
There were 3 billion people on earth when I was born, there is about 9 billion now, that’s a lot of carbon dioxide and methane.
When I was at school, we were getting ready for another ice age.

methane - this is the man who's fault it all is!!!

https://www.mrmethane.com/

 

[Stan's Brew]

There's a report in my local paper that the latest solar farm will consume 86 acres (of presumably productive farmland), if this affects crop yields for say next year, is that the sort of figure the climate people will (mis)use in their reporting? There must be massive loss of productive farmland to solar farms already and with the pace increasing the hit on yields is only going to get worse, across the planet.

I can't see any benefit in the drive to so-called net-zero by taking this approach, an approach based on climate alarmism. I fear they are attempting to drive food shortages which will lead to civil unrest.

 

[pilgrimhudd]

I absolutely hate the use of solar panels on farm land, I really hate it, but it doesn't take up much of UK farmland yet and even the planned increases still use up a tiny amount of farmland. Still, i'd rather it was put on brownfield sites. Why don't all factory/school/hospital roofs have panels on them. I'm sure it costs more but still.

Factcheck: Is solar power a ‘threat’ to UK farmland? - Carbon Brief

Why on Earth would anyone want to cause civil unrest?

 

[Stan's Brew]

Why on Earth would anyone want to cause civil unrest?

The way the world is going - impoverishing people though high taxation, high interest rates, high energy and food bills, supply chain disruption and control over food supplies, a great many people may end up owning nothing and massively under water in debt, with no money for food, hungry people may get so desperate that they take matters into their own hands. Western governments are seeking to introduce programmable digital currency, the ultimate form of control and slavery, who wants that?

There is precedence throughout history, we've seen the odd few days of civil unrest in recent years in the UK (London riots), there are currently massive protests across the EU every weekend (anti-war, anti-govt) and just about every Western country had anti-covid marches and riots each weekend throughout the Covid era. Whilst it seems inconceivable in the UK now, over time it could happen, lets hope we all come out the other side before it gets to that stage.

 

[Stan's Brew]

Factcheck: Is solar power a ‘threat’ to UK farmland? - Carbon Brief

Just a quick look at the provenance of this website rings alarm bells - they are not independent, contains lots of the climate agenda usual suspects and a couple of the writers have history with the University of East Anglia, we all remember the scandal that that Uni was involved in around the mid-noughties, don't we?

 

[pilgrimhudd]

Just a quick look at the provenance of this website rings alarm bells - they are not independent, contains lots of the climate agenda usual suspects and a couple of the writers have history with the University of East Anglia, we all remember the scandal that that Uni was involved in around the mid-noughties, don't we?

Maybe, but there's no opinion there, only facts, a quick google check will corroborate that.

 

[pilgrimhudd]

The way the world is going - impoverishing people though high taxation, high interest rates, high energy and food bills, supply chain disruption and control over food supplies, a great many people may end up owning nothing and massively under water in debt, with no money for food, hungry people may get so desperate that they take matters into their own hands. Western governments are seeking to introduce programmable digital currency, the ultimate form of control and slavery, who wants that?

There is precedence throughout history, we've seen the odd few days of civil unrest in recent years in the UK (London riots), there are currently massive protests across the EU every weekend (anti-war, anti-govt) and just about every Western country had anti-covid marches and riots each weekend throughout the Covid era. Whilst it seems inconceivable in the UK now, over time it could happen, lets hope we all come out the other side before it gets to that stage.

Yeah i'm not sure I believe all that to be honest.