Cant get my head around water treatment

[MashBag]

Ignore the dead space.
Fix all your water in one go.

Can you post here the postcode of a shop or something near you please? I will have a go.

Ps. Would you drink it or if the tap? if not why not?

 

[Davegase]

Thank you, I mainly brew hoppy pale ales and sometimes neipa's and west coast ipa's. I am open to using my tap water as shown or ashbeck from tescos or I have a spotless water supplier 10 minutes up the road. I just want to know what chemicals I need to buy and how much to add. I just want someone to do the sums for me.

You say you have a Spotless water outlet close to you. I would use that as a starting point rather than Ashbeck, I'm not knocking Ashbeck but it's a lot cheaper and consistent. You can treat it as a blank canvas, like distilled water. I sent a sample to Murphy's for analysis along with a sample of my tap water. Tap water analysis is okay but tap water is not consistent throughout the year.

If you're going to use a water analysis I would recommend Murphy's, because they send you a simple guide with your analysis on how to treat your water for various styles.

We all have our preferred brewing software mine would be Brewfather.

I'm not saying it's better than any other software but it's what I'm familiar with.

I believe they all have water profile calculators. Once you're familiar with your chosen software things will fall into place.

 

[Libigage]

Ignore the dead space.
Fix all your water in one go.

Can you post here the postcode of a shop or something near you please? I will have a go.

Ps. Would you drink it or if the tap? if not why not?

Ss1 2ul

 

[The Baron]

Your water company is required to produce one by law. They normally do one ever month or so I think and they should be freely downloadable from their website. I don't seem what £30 gets you on top of downloading theirs for free.

Hi Agent my Water company do have a generic report but it is generally one a year and also it does not provide all the info required for most water calculators that is why I was looking at a report but £65 is a bit rich for me.

 

[Davegase]

Where can I get a water report that is economically viable as £30 keeps getting thrown about and yet it is £65 for a Murphys report through MM which to me is too much

You can deal with Murphys direct rather than going through a retailer.
I had two samples analyzed Spotless water and my tap water.
The total was £69.30

 

[The Baron]

I am either going to start using Spotless or get a report in the New Year.
Not sure which yet but the price will be a deciding factor.

 

[Davegase]

I am either going to start using Spotless or get a report in the New Year.
Not sure which yet but the price will be a deciding factor.

I've actually found that Spotless water requires less modification than my Thames water tap.
As Spotless water is consistent I don't see the need to get another report unless I use tap water.

 

[MashBag]

Ss1 2ul

Sorry about the typo.
Would you drink it out of the tap? if not why not?

 

[MashBag]

Ss1 2ul

On a cigarette packet

11g DWB which is a couple of teaspoons

20-25ml AMS for your mash water. Weigh it, a lot easier than lots of shots with a small syringe.

Tbh not far from mine.

 

[Clint]

Can you get blank water from aquarium shops that deal in marine creatures?
I emailed our water supplier and they sent the report back. It tells you how much sewage is in it too. My water is drawn from the Dee and is mostly "run off" from tributaries. The chemical values probably change during low water and floods. If your water runs over particular bedrock or is from deep reservoirs (can't spell akquifers!) it might be quite stable.

 

[Agentgonzo]

Hi Agent my Water company do have a generic report but it is generally one a year and also it does not provide all the info required for most water calculators that is why I was looking at a report but £65 is a bit rich for me.

What's it missing? Mine is missing the magnesium (not really needed) and residual alkalinity (also not present but you can infer it from other things like calcium and hardness and also just measure ph from brew to brew and adjust as necessary)

 

[Clint]

Apparently my water is middle of the road and good for most things...and was fine without adding stuff.
But....when your mates come round being nosey on brew day or the misuse is there poking her hooter in you can look all clever and mysterious weighing out your salts and stuff and referring to such topics as Clarkes hardness (what ever that involves) and sulphate to chloride ratios. They'll see you in a totally different light..and mostly the other half will do one.

 

[The Baron]

What's it missing? Mine is missing the magnesium (not really needed) and residual alkalinity (also not present but you can infer it from other things like calcium and hardness and also just measure ph from brew to brew and adjust as necessary)

I will check tomorrow Agent and let you know

Apparently my water is middle of the road and good for most things...and was fine without adding stuff.
But....when your mates come round being nosey on brew day or the misuse is there poking her hooter in you can look all clever and mysterious weighing out your salts and stuff and referring to such topics as Clarkes hardness (what ever that involves) and sulphate to chloride ratios. They'll see you in a totally different light..and mostly the other half will do one.

I used to use water from my aquarium shop must be prior to Covid and cut it half and half with tap water it was RO

 

[Sadfield]

So this is my next planed brew, does it look right going by my water report. I'm going to have quite a bit of dead space below my tap in my burco for my sparge water. https://share.brewfather.app/5xSW2xrRxXTNQW

Putting the numbers into this.

https://www.jimsbeerkit.co.uk/water.html

You could forgo the Calcium Chloride and Calcium Sulphate, the difference wouldn't be very noticeable. The main focus is low alkalinity, and you already have enough Calcium. 21.1g of CRS/AMS and you are good to go. Leaving you with the following profile. More than OK for a Pale Ale, with a 2:1 Sulphate/Chloride ratio.

Ca -110
Mg- 18
Na - 41
CO3 - 15
SO4 - 235
Cl - 118

Messing about with Spotless will just lead to adding back what your water already contains.

 

[peebee]

On a cigarette packet

11g DWB which is a couple of teaspoons

20-25ml AMS for your mash water. Weigh it, a lot easier than lots of shots with a small syringe.

Tbh not far from mine.

Beat you to it a day ago.

But ... I couldn't resist putting through the "Defuddler", and look: Everyone ignores it! I don't know what I did to get it ignored, but there you go

Wait until it's upgraded ... coming very soon! It'll do building "water profiles" then (what! Bah ... spit). Even recommends RO Water (WHAT! Bah ... spit, spit, spit ... fizz!). Then I'll start causing some bun fights!



Downloaded the SS1 2UL water report. Doesn't explain that "Total Hardness = 109" but doesn't repeat the BS either. "Calcium Carbonate = 295.0000" they say which needs you to have had frontal lobe lobotomy too so you can translate it. But I effectively have, so, "Total Hardness" is about 272.5 like I'd already extracted. I'd guessed the Nitrate at 10mg/L, but turned out 13-38 (avg: 25.5) which is higher than I'd dared to think (it's mainly pollution after all). If I correct it the calculated alkalinity (as bicarbonate) would fall 10-20 mg/L ... insignificant, but would spoil the overall comparable look of the output

 

[Jiffy176]

Where can I get a water report that is economically viable as £30 keeps getting thrown about and yet it is £65 for a Murphys report through MM which to me is too much

Go direct to Murphy and Sons make an account and the. Order a test. They will email you an invoice when they receive your sample.

 

[peebee]

... Mine is missing the magnesium (not really needed) and residual alkalinity ...

Eh? What you want that "RA" nonsense for? Though I have to admit, it was only a few weeks ago I thought it was important. I even believed it would help predict mash pH ...

But I've grown up now.


(The "Defuddler" will guess a Magnesium amount for you and shuffle the Calcium about to make room ... if you let it!).

 

[peebee]

Go direct to Murphy and Sons make an account and the. Order a test. They will email you an invoice when they receive your sample.

There's no need ... there is already a half-decent publicly available report. Murphy's will only provide one point in time analysis which can be used as (a very expensive) confirmation.

Anyway, "Wally" (https://phoenix-analytical.co.uk/) offers a much cheaper service (but check with him, his last updated test date was last August!).

 

[Davegase]

There's no need ... there is already a half-decent publicly available report. Murphy's will only provide one point in time analysis which can be used as (a very expensive) confirmation.

Anyway, "Wally" (https://phoenix-analytical.co.uk/) offers a much cheaper service (but check with him, his last updated test date was last August!).

According to your link £35 if that includes VAT is the same as a Murphy's

 

[The Baron]

Go direct to Murphy and Sons make an account and the. Order a test. They will email you an invoice when they receive your sample.

Now you mention it Jiffy I already have a account with them