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We don't have the capacity because we're closing power stations that ran on coal rather than converting them. Why because our utilities have been sold to foreign owners.
Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan
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VW911
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Personally, I dread they the day that they do away with the internal combustion engine. (It was, in fact, invented by God, as a way of using up surplus fossil fuels.)
There is something soulless about a Toyota Prius. (Compared to the howl Triumph Daytona ridden spiritedly)...
There is something soulless about a Toyota Prius. (Compared to the howl Triumph Daytona ridden spiritedly)...
We could have replaced them but we sold all the gold reserves
Think its time for a beer 
VW911
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What? ANOTHER one!Think its time for a beer
Trying to empty barrel for my stout 
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VW911
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Ha! I'm doing the same to make room for a Nelson's Revenge...
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We import far more oil and gas :
And whilst electric cars are a challenge in some ways to the electricity network, they also have the potential to help it by smoothing demand - they can charge overnight when "always on" generation like nuclear and wind are still producing (and potentially smart chargers could charge when eg wave energy was peaking due to the cycles of the tide), and potentially could deliver power to the network at peak demand times.
Chippy - it's not a problem. As I said above, current Tesla battery packs are rated for double the lifetime mileage of the average British car, and they're working on increasing it further - on average a Tesla loses 5% of battery capacity after 100,000 miles. And they tend not to go "bang", they fade away, but for most people buying a 10+year old car, it's not going to make too much difference if it only does 200 miles rather than 250 miles.
Are these for Tesla cars or for all EV's?
The article here doesn't make great reading espacially if you take my earlier point into consideration many working class people will be buying 5+ year old cars (my car is 12 years old and i bought it 6 years ago) as it says below "When it comes to replacing an electric vehicle battery, you need not be too concerned as many manufacturers provide a warranty of up to 8 years or 100,000 miles" that doesn't fill me with confidence.
The battery on an electric car is a proven technology that will last for many years. In fact, EV manufacturers guarantee it. Nissan warrants that its electric car batteries will last eight years or 100,000 miles, for example, and Tesla offers a similar guarantee.
This might seem remarkable when the battery in your mobile phone begins to wear out after only a couple of years, but during that time it might be fully charged and discharged hundreds of times. Each of these so-called charge cycles counts against the life of the battery: after perhaps 500 full cycles, a lithium-ion phone battery begins to lose a significant part of the capacity it had when new.
While that might be OK in a phone, it's not good enough for a car designed to last many thousands of miles, so EV manufacturers go to great lengths to make electric car batteries last longer. In an EV, batteries are 'buffered', meaning that drivers can't use the full amount of power they store, reducing the number of cycles the battery goes through. Together with other techniques such as clever cooling systems, this means that electric car batteries should give many years of trouble-free life.
When it comes to replacing an electric vehicle battery, you need not be too concerned as many manufacturers provide a warranty of up to 8 years or 100,000 miles. Meaning that even if you did need to replace it in an unfortunate event that something did go wrong, then it could well be covered under this warranty. Remember to always check the type of warranty offered by your chosen electric car manufacturer.
Also, the cost of batteries fell about 80% between 2010 and 2016 according to McKinsey, from $1000 to $227/kWh. Therefore, a new 40kWh battery in 2016 would have cost just shy of £10,000. Some predictions estimate that prices are set to fall below $100/kWh by 2030, around the same time as the government are aiming for 50% of all new vehicles sold in the UK will be electric.
https://www.edfenergy.com/electric-...rs guarantee,Tesla offers a similar guarantee.
The battery on an electric car is a proven technology that will last for many years. In fact, EV manufacturers guarantee it. Nissan warrants that its electric car batteries will last eight years or 100,000 miles, for example, and Tesla offers a similar guarantee.
This might seem remarkable when the battery in your mobile phone begins to wear out after only a couple of years, but during that time it might be fully charged and discharged hundreds of times. Each of these so-called charge cycles counts against the life of the battery: after perhaps 500 full cycles, a lithium-ion phone battery begins to lose a significant part of the capacity it had when new.
While that might be OK in a phone, it's not good enough for a car designed to last many thousands of miles, so EV manufacturers go to great lengths to make electric car batteries last longer. In an EV, batteries are 'buffered', meaning that drivers can't use the full amount of power they store, reducing the number of cycles the battery goes through. Together with other techniques such as clever cooling systems, this means that electric car batteries should give many years of trouble-free life.
When it comes to replacing an electric vehicle battery, you need not be too concerned as many manufacturers provide a warranty of up to 8 years or 100,000 miles. Meaning that even if you did need to replace it in an unfortunate event that something did go wrong, then it could well be covered under this warranty. Remember to always check the type of warranty offered by your chosen electric car manufacturer.
Also, the cost of batteries fell about 80% between 2010 and 2016 according to McKinsey, from $1000 to $227/kWh. Therefore, a new 40kWh battery in 2016 would have cost just shy of £10,000. Some predictions estimate that prices are set to fall below $100/kWh by 2030, around the same time as the government are aiming for 50% of all new vehicles sold in the UK will be electric.
https://www.edfenergy.com/electric-...rs guarantee,Tesla offers a similar guarantee.
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As I said in my previous post, Tesla is leading the way, but most of the mainstream manufacturers are claiming battery lives of 150,000 miles-ish (compared to an average mileage at scrapping of 100,000 or so). It was something that people worried about in the early days because there just wasn't the data to tell, but in general they seem to hold up better in the real world than was first feared, and it's something that there's been a lot of R&D on so modern ones are just better than they used to be.
UK electricity network needs upgrading to cope with rising EV demand So the national grid will crumble with this sort of demand, hydrogen is the way forward France devotes €30 billion to energy transition This is also happening in Germany and Holland
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Nobody's denying there aren't challenges and investment needed - but the national hydrogen infrastructure "will crumble with this sort of demand" too.
Bunging €9 billion at the electricity network would ease a lot of problems there was well - not all that's needed, but a useful investment - and €9 billion is nowhere near what's needed to support conversion of all transport to hydrogen.
And as I said at the start - no one technology is the answer. But I suspect that hydrogen will remain a reasonably niche solution for people for whom mainstream electric isn't suitable for whatever reason, a bit like the way most people are on mains gas but some have to fill up a LPG tank every few months to heat their home.
I thought this had been proven not to be the case as most EV's will be charged at night but not all will be, they are not like mobile phones where you charge them every night because you don't know how much you will use them tomorrow most people will know exactly how much charge they will need the nest day and will top up accordingly.
Many will also install solar panels to get free travel.
So they want me to swap my car to one that causes even greater damage to the planet Lithium mining: What you should know about the contentious issue then there is the human cost mining this stuff This metal is powering today's technology—at what price? still want to own a car that does this
Thats my last post on this matter
A quick search sows we will be using it for quite a while -
The most cutting-edge battery chemistry we currently have is lithium-ion. Most experts agree that no other chemistry is going disrupt lithium-ion for at least another decade or more.
How we get to the next big battery breakthrough
There’s a good chance that the next car you buy will be your last.
Having a car sit idle 95% of the time is a massive waste of money, resource and space.
Given that we already have Tesla autopilot and other self driving cars, it’s not a big leap to think that in future you’ll just hail a car when you need it and it’ll take you where you need to go. Uber without the driver.
It’ll start with a city banning private vehicles. Somewhere like a Japanese city or possibly
a city like Copenhagen. Others will follow and it’ll spread out from cities to suburban towns and beyond.
Having a car sit idle 95% of the time is a massive waste of money, resource and space.
Given that we already have Tesla autopilot and other self driving cars, it’s not a big leap to think that in future you’ll just hail a car when you need it and it’ll take you where you need to go. Uber without the driver.
It’ll start with a city banning private vehicles. Somewhere like a Japanese city or possibly
a city like Copenhagen. Others will follow and it’ll spread out from cities to suburban towns and beyond.
Richie_asg1
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Looks like I will be driving a HGV to work then.
Has anyone considered that an awful lot of UK new cars are bought as company cars & that they then trickle down to us mortals through the 2nd hand market?
I know of a couple of people who have plug in hybrid company cars - for tax break, but they never charge them at home - why should they use their electricity when they have a company fuel card - so the car is never 'plugged in'
I know not all companies run their fleets like that, but if all companies reimbursed based on miles driven then maybe people would actually charge them like they are supposed to.
I know of a couple of people who have plug in hybrid company cars - for tax break, but they never charge them at home - why should they use their electricity when they have a company fuel card - so the car is never 'plugged in'
I know not all companies run their fleets like that, but if all companies reimbursed based on miles driven then maybe people would actually charge them like they are supposed to.
