Are you religious?

[Gulpitdarn]

Its all hogwash, some of the greatest lies of life. I had my fill during12 years of boarding school, argued the toss for years with CoE and concluded it is nonsense. Live and let live

How do you prove that the Bible is a Lie?

 

[Justin Dean]

Who said Bible? (I said it's hogwash), the only truth is the existence around us.

 

[MmmBeer]

Regardless of anyone's beliefs, I believe it essential that everyone should have a logical self examination of their faith and religion. Following a religion simply because your parents / grandparents etc. did so is a recipe for disaster. I remember some years ago, watching a news report of a group of schoolchildren, some as young as 3 years, reciting from their religious book, whilst their priest stood over them with a whip, beating any who misread.

I soon lost any trust in religion after seeing that .

 

[Justin Dean]

Hmm many religions do that.

 

[MickDundee]

How do you prove that the Bible is a Lie?

How do you prove it’s the truth (maybe I should have chosen “agnostic”)?

 

[An Ankoù]

I thought the Samaritans were Gentiles whom the Jews hated?

(Just put some chocolate malt in a litre, into the fridge ready for a brew tomorrow :thumba:)

Thy Larger Drinkers shalt be saved! :tinhat:

If my memory serves (of the literature, not the actual event) the Samaritans are those who were left behind during the Babylonian exile and they follow the variety of Jewish observance practised in ancient times. Apparently, not all the Israelites left Cana'an for Egypt at the time of the famine and the Samaritans consider themselves decendents not only racially but religiously of the original remainers. Thus the Jews and the Samaritans practised different versions of the same religion and despised each other like the worst Catholic/Protestant tensions. The Jews didn't particularly despise Gentiles- certainly not as much as Samaritans.
By promoting a Samaritan as the good guy, Jesus really pisssed off the other bunch, especially the Pharisees who he considered hypocrites.

Blessed are the beer-makers for they shall inherit Valhalla.

 

[Horners]

I think you should have included Jews and Muslims. I'd love to know how many Muslim home brewers we've got on the forum.
Is New Age and Pagan the same?
Mainstream Eastern religions like Buddhism and Hinduism are as unalike as chalk and cheese and I don't think the Sikhs would like to lumped in with the other two.

Plenty of Muslims flitting between the bookies and the boozers on Whitechapel High Street. My missus used to work in the gambling industry and they used to put special opaque windows in so the rest of the community couldnt watch the rest of the lads having a punt on the horses.

 

[kelper]

Agreed. None is a bit of a cop-out. But a quiz can have twenty options. It's too late for OP to modify the questions and it would spoil the previous responses. I would look at the UK census questions to see their taxonomy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom

 

[Clint]

Isn't what's available in the Bible the bits the Romans allowed us to see?
As for anything else my take on it is "believe it when you see it".
Religion and money...the root of all evil.
I was christened within an hour of being born as I was 3 months premature ,weighed not much more than a pound and was on the "not much hope" list...whether it helped or not who knows?
I don't practice any religion,been to the odd wedding and funeral with I suppose a C of E theme as most have and don't give a flying xxxx about who you kneel to but don't ask me to like,accept or condone..most religions I witness in media seem all hell bent on brain washing,hating everything and everyone else unless you do it their way.
Not for me.

 

[GerritT]

Some religions do not condone the use of alcohol, so I guess their absence in a poll is not much of a problem.

 

[Rodcx500z]

I don't care who anybody worships that's for them just don't tell me about it, I voted atheist, I look at the world at what is going on and made my mind up along time ago, to many wars and suffering particularly children God wouldn't let that happen would he

 

[MmmBeer]

For those who identify as Christian, (or anyone else) here are a few simple questions about the fundamentals of that religion.

1 What was Christ's given name?
2 What language did he speak?
3 How many years after his death, was the first gospel (Matthew) written?
4 And finally, how many years after was his death was the fourth (John) written?

I doubt anyone can get all 4 correct (approximately) without Googling.

 

[Clint]

In guessing..
Jehovah
Arabic
30
100

 

[BeerCat]

As God is my witness no.

 

[simon12]

Er ... I don't think so and I use the parable of "The Good Samaritan" to point this out.

Consider a situation where "The will of God." is seen as being sacrosanct. This system means that anyone who interferes with the status of another person may be acting against "The will of God." It is still prevalent within some religions!

When the man in the ditch was robbed and left for dead by robbers people "passed by on the other side"; and so they might because by going to the man's aid, they could have been accused of going against "The will of God."

It was "The will of God" whether or not the man survived or died in that ditch and by helping him the "Good Samaritan" took onboard ALL of the responsibilities and debts that the man had incurred. i.e. IF the man subsequently died then the "Good Samaritan" had to pay off ALL of his debts and became responsible for ALL of the man's responsibilities.

Think about it. If the man died, the "Good Samaritan" had to look after ANYONE who was dependant on the man. i.e. his wife (or wives), his children, his parents, his grand-parents, his employees, his creditors, etc etc.

Please check out ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law

... where you will see that the Laws under which most of us live are part of the religion that was being advocated by "Jesus and the Apostles"!

The people I rail against (instead of forgiving them) are those that use religion as a weapon.

You have a very different take on the good samaritan to me but the point I was making is Jesus apposed the pharisees for there clinging to the parts of Judaism that benifit them and smashed up the temple as it was used to generate money not to please or glorify God. I assumed this was like the 2000 year old version of those you criticise, am I wrong?

 

[The Baron]

Bet this debate livens late evening when a few beers have been sunk. Can see Chippy stepping in not a good subject on par with Brexit

 

[simon12]

Apologies for not putting more thought into the options. To clarify please consider atheist to be I believe there is no God and Agnostic as I don't believe in God because I have no seen evidence of his existence.

 

[MmmBeer]

In guessing..
Jehovah
Arabic
30
100

One out of four Clint, for question 3.

 

[simon12]

Isn't what's available in the Bible the bits the Romans allowed us to see?

In short no. If you are interested (I assume your not) here is a great video on how we know we have the correct version of the bible it is 1 1/2 hours long and you need to watch it all to really get it.

Which books went into the bible was decided by a council in Rome though input cane from the wider church as well and there were good reasons why the rejected books didn't make it, most were known to be fake and written much later.

 

[IainM]

I believe he spoke either Sanskrit or Samarian.