Oneflewover
Landlord.
They both sound great, PM on its wayI would like to be in. I have a schwarzbier bottle conditioning right now and a steam beer fermenting away currently. The latter is a SMASH with WLP830. My friend gave me an unlabeled bag of hops, he didn't know what they are, so it's a mystery hop beer.
Anyway, if these sound good for the competition please PM your address and I'll send them over when they're ready