AI generated recipe

[Agentgonzo]

I think the main setback for an AI creating recipes is it will never taste what it's recipes brew.
Without the human "feeling" component it will likely always be inferior to an actual human.
But who knows, in the future we might have AI's advanced enough to experience sensations such as smell, flavour and aroma, but that would likely require some sort of self awareness, leading us to a Skynet type scenario...

You could say the same about music and art. Yet AI has created both of those. It's just a different sense

 

[Erik The Anglophile]

But has it created good music?

 

[Agentgonzo]

But has it created good music?

"Good" is entirely subjective. So I would expect "yes" to be the answer

 

[Agentgonzo]

But the way that ChatGPCT works (and also dall-e too) is that it doesn't actually create it. It gets a bunch of stuff from it's huge database and cobbles it together from building blocks that it has found.

Though at a philosophical level, that's that humans do most of the time - draw on memories and other past experience rather than creating something new entirely out of nothing

 

[Sadfield]

There's plenty of data potentially available in all the various brewing software and apps. AI in, say, beersmith could be a time saving tool.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Isn’t it just a search engine? I can do a Google search for a recipe, what’s the difference?

 

[Stu's Brews]

Isn’t it just a search engine? I can do a Google search for a recipe, what’s the difference?

It tries to determine the best answer using some learned intelligence rather than just providing a list of results that might match.

For example, if I ask it to give me a recipe for a beer that isn't published online then it will use the intelligence it has learned to have a best guess at what the recipe should be. So a recipe for London Pride might be based off knowledge of other bitters that are published online.

Obviously you could do that by searching Google and reading through all the results and applying the intelligence yourself. However, the AI can sort through a much greater quantity of data in a much shorter time. The downside is that without a human to tell it whether what it is learning is right or wrong then it can be led astray.

 

[Nicks90]

Depends on what you want it to do. For giggles I asked it to produce a business case to sell a security software solution based on Thales encryption key management hardware and one time cipher keys to an insurance company to protect their data centres with a very specific use case.
Now I already had a copy of a good one from the sales team in the company I work for to compare it against... Which won the business I might add, but took over a month and £££ to produce and took the power of many clever security specialist minds with a good dollop of salesman skill to bring together... But I would have used to chatAI version if I had done this 4 months ago.

it was excellent. Covered every single aspect of the solution, from technical implementation to ongoing service. It was amazing. Salesmen, business development people and service architects should be very worried!

 

[Rodcx500z]

best guess at what the recipe should be

Isn't that what Spock did in the voyage home

 

[allotment_fox]

could the AI be reading the forum to base its results

 

[Guzzie]

I finally managed to sign in to the website and I asked for a Jever clone recipe which it provided - some day - hopefully - I will manage to make one !! I then asked for two more Jever clone recipes which again it provided. I finally asked which was the best of the three recipes - see below the answer. Makes interesting reading - G

Q - which of the three is the most realistic copy

All three of the Jever clone beer recipes I provided can produce a beer that is similar in flavor and aroma to Jever, but the exact replication of the beer can be difficult as we don't know the exact recipe used by the brewery.
That being said, the first recipe I provided is probably the most faithful to the original Jever beer in terms of its ingredients and brewing process. It uses only Pilsner and Carapils malt, which is a simple and common grain bill for German Pilsner beers, and the hop schedule includes Magnum, Hallertauer Mittelfrüh, and Tettnang hops, which are all popular hop varieties for German-style beers. The Bohemian Lager yeast used in this recipe is also a popular choice for brewing lagers, including German-style Pilsners.
However, taste is subjective and you may prefer the flavor profile of one of the other recipes. I would suggest trying all three and deciding for yourself which one comes closest to the Jever beer that you know and love.

 

[user 43495]

I asked ChatGPT to generate a 23 ltr all grain recipe for Mcewans Champion Ale (one of my favorate beers) and it came up with the below recipe, pretty interesting I though. ChatGPT has probably pulled this recipe from some thread from some forum or some web blog. Pretty cool tho ....

ChatGPT's response ....

Sure, here's a recipe for a beer similar to McEwan's Champion for a 23-liter batch size:

• Estimated OG: 1.057 - 1.062
• Estimated FG: 1.013 - 1.017

Ingredients:

• 5.2 kg Pale malt
• 0.5 kg Crystal malt (60L)
• 0.3 kg Wheat malt
• 0.15 kg Roasted barley
• 30 g Fuggle hops (2.6% AA) - 30 IBUs
• 30 g Goldings hops (5% AA) - 10 IBUs
• 1 tsp Irish moss
• 1 pack of SafAle S-04 yeast
• Water and minerals to adjust mash and sparge

Mash:

1. Heat 18 L of water to 72°C.
2. Mash in grains and hold temperature at 67°C for 60 minutes.
3. Sparge with 16 L of water at 75°C.
4. Collect enough wort to achieve a pre-boil volume of 27 L.

Boil:

1. Bring the wort to a boil.
2. Add Fuggle hops and boil for 60 minutes, aiming for a total of 30 IBUs.
3. Add Irish moss and Goldings hops and boil for 15 more minutes, aiming for a total of 10 IBUs.
4. Cool the wort to 18°C.

Fermentation:

1. Transfer the wort to a sanitized fermenter.
2. Pitch the SafAle S-04 yeast.
3. Ferment at 18-20°C until complete (about 7-10 days).
4. Transfer to a secondary fermenter for an additional 7-10 days (optional).
5. Bottle or keg and carbonate to your desired level.

This recipe should produce a beer similar in character to McEwan's Champion Ale, with a malt-forward profile, moderate bitterness, and notes of caramel and toffee, with a total IBU of 40.

Some day I might try to brew it

I too used to drink that McEwans beer and when they hoisted the price up at our local Morrison's decided to create a recipe. My wife and I both blind tasted the two - the commercial and my version - and agreed there was only a trifling difference. For 4 galls I use:-

8lb crushed pale
6oz chocolate malt
5 oz black malt

In the copper:
3oz Challenger (but I did originally use fuggles)
2lb sugar (invert)

Sparge to aim to collect after losses 4 galls.

The commercial has 7.3 abv, my recipe yields, typically, 7.2-7.6

I wouldn't bother with Irish moss for a dark beer personally.

I am not sure about this AI stuff; it might have its interesting points but it doesn't increase one's personal knowledge any more than a spell-checker necessarily teaches you how to spell. I think brewing is a form of cookery and knowing about ingredients and their uses is to me more rewarding that using a computer program, but that's just me.

 

[DocAnna]

I am not sure about this AI stuff; it might have its interesting points but it doesn't increase one's personal knowledge any more than a spell-checker necessarily teaches you how to spell. I think brewing is a form of cookery and knowing about ingredients and their uses is to me more rewarding that using a computer program, but that's just me.

I've been reflecting on this thread and the experiences of asking ChatGP questions, and realised it's just another opinion that's neither expert or consistent. I've also realised I'd never trust what it told me as an answer to anything - beer recipes or anything else - without going away and checking it for myself. It does though give a structure, a starting place from which to write something more. That in some ways is comforting for now at least, it's a tool to be used, but yes I agree brewing and a whole lot more is a lot more than knowing about the ingredients .

 

[Spanners]

I too used to drink that McEwans beer and when they hoisted the price up at our local Morrison's decided to create a recipe. My wife and I both blind tasted the two - the commercial and my version - and agreed there was only a trifling difference. For 4 galls I use:-

8lb crushed pale
6oz chocolate malt
5 oz black malt

In the copper:
3oz Challenger (but I did originally use fuggles)
2lb sugar (invert)

Sparge to aim to collect after losses 4 galls.

The commercial has 7.3 abv, my recipe yields, typically, 7.2-7.6

I wouldn't bother with Irish moss for a dark beer personally.

I am not sure about this AI stuff; it might have its interesting points but it doesn't increase one's personal knowledge any more than a spell-checker necessarily teaches you how to spell. I think brewing is a form of cookery and knowing about ingredients and their uses is to me more rewarding that using a computer program, but that's just me.

That's interesting to see the recipe you came up with so thanks for posting, could I ask what IBU's you were aiming for when brewing this?

 

[user 43495]

You could say the same about music and art. Yet AI has created both of those. It's just a different sense

As a trained ex-professional musician I must take issue with your claims of the ability of AI to create 'music'. Bearing in mind most people's musical horizons have been seriously dimmed by the avalanche of pop music over recent decades some might be taken in by some sort of artificial crontrivance; but meaningful music? No; that requires knowledge, skill and feeling. which AI does not possess.

 

[user 43495]

That's interesting to see the recipe you came up with so thanks for posting, could I ask what IBU's you were aiming for when brewing this?

I aimed to produce a beer which tasted as alike as was reasonably possible to get. I didn't consider IBUs or EBUs. It's as with cookery; I'm sometimes asked "Ah but how much 'x' do you put in?" And my answer is "The right amount", Not being funny but I rarely measure stuff out for cookery. With my beer recipies I consider what I am aiming for and try to utilise what knowledge I have of styles and ingredients. I don't use computer programs or charts etc. For instance the McEwan's original beer has that definite chocolate malt underlining flavour so it was reasonable to use some in the formulation. It's a dark beer so a few oz black malt. I started off using fuggles but decided it needed a little more bite so exchanged for challenger. etc etc.

 

[Bzee]

t can’t be a modern AI system as it would have specified a modern 30 minute boil.

Depends on what you want it to do. For giggles I asked it to produce a business case to sell a security software solution based on Thales encryption key management hardware and one time cipher keys to an insurance company to protect their data centres with a very specific use case.
Now I already had a copy of a good one from the sales team in the company I work for to compare it against... Which won the business I might add, but took over a month and £££ to produce and took the power of many clever security specialist minds with a good dollop of salesman skill to bring together... But I would have used to chatAI version if I had done this 4 months ago.

it was excellent. Covered every single aspect of the solution, from technical implementation to ongoing service. It was amazing. Salesmen, business development people and service architects should be very worried!

Very interesting comments it also beat me yesterday researching a bid. News of a large contract was removed from sellers website at client insistence. Chatgpwhatsit still had a record of it as works off a 2021 data set. Lucky break, LinkedIn led me to same conclusion but the AI had the press release and didn't take hours of looking.

 

[Branny]

InBev are soon to advertise a new role... 'John Connor'.