Adnams dual strain yeast

[Galena]

A few years ago I made an ale based on Adnams Broadside, which is well documented in my Brew Days thread.
I used the Adnams dual strain harvested from a mini cask of Broadside. It must be noted that at this time Adnam's sold 5L Mini Casks and also 5L Mini Kegs, the cask being properly cask conditioned and so was able to harvest the yeast easily,the kegs being filtered.
At the same time @An Ankoù if I recall attempted to obtain some from a Ghost Ship keg which is filtered and claimed success, so I am wondering if it might be a good way to get it again as they no longer seem to produce mini casks unfortunately.
I have slight concern that they have used a different yeast for carbonating the kegs though?

Any other ideas on obtaining the dual strain?

 

[SMP Brewery]

The last time I was in the Harbour inn they’d run out of Ghost Ship so the manager drove to the brewery to pick up a barrel in the back of his car. You could pretend you’re a manager and try the same!

Sorry that wasn’t very helpful

 

[stubrewworx]

Is tally ho! Bottle conditioned?

 

[An Ankoù]

At the same time @An Ankoù if I recall attempted to obtain some from a Ghost Ship keg which is filtered and claimed success, so I am wondering if it might be a good way to get it again as they no longer seem to produce mini casks unfortunately.
I have slight concern that they have used a different yeast for carbonating the kegs though?

They don't use a different strain. The keg contains filtered beer and so I suppose it must be force carbonated since it's not "keg conditioned". Whether you can catch any yeast depends on how good the filter is. I tried it a second time and wasn't successful, but I still have a bottle of my first brew although it's a few years old now.
On a similar note, I'd advise anyone thinking about it not to try to culture Harvey's yeast. It's not at all what you might hope for.

 

[Galena]

Is tally ho! Bottle conditioned?

Good shout, yes it is and says "The bottled version is brewed at the same time as the cask beer and each vintage is unique and can also be kept and matured in bottle." and " Tally-Ho's Christmas cake richness and warmth lends itself to wintery, fireside evenings", the Christmas cake richness is also apt for Broadside.It looks like I may have to buy 12 bottles, I may struggle to drink all that at 7.5%

 

[An Ankoù]

.It looks like I may have to buy 12 bottles, I may struggle to drink all that at 7.5%

Perhaps a few of us could rally round to help out.

I'm not sure sure that it's still bottle conditioned. I can't find any indication to that effect on the bottle or at the brewery site. I'd send them an email and ask before buying a case.

 

[MashBag]

I always understood you can't filter yeast out. That is why they have flash pasteurisers.

 

[MashBag]

Good shout, yes it is and says "The bottled version is brewed at the same time as the cask beer and each vintage is unique and can also be kept and matured in bottle." and " Tally-Ho's Christmas cake richness and warmth lends itself to wintery, fireside evenings", the Christmas cake richness is also apt for Broadside.It looks like I may have to buy 12 bottles, I may struggle to drink all that at 7.5%

Nip down the brewery and drop one of them in your boot, and you are sorted.... For a while

 

[Agentgonzo]

I always understood you can't filter yeast out. That is why they have flash pasteurisers.

I'm not sure where you're getting that from. If heard many mentions of breweries filtering their beer. I can't see why you couldn't be able to filter the yeast

 

[Sadfield]

You can filter sacchromyces out, bacteria is more problematic as they are 1/5-1/10 the size, the filter mesh required also filters out some of the flavour and body, and can block the filter with beta-glucans. Brettanomyces, and other beer spoiling yeasts, sit somewhere in between. Hence, pasteurisation as an alternative.

Some breweries like St Austell, filter and then reseed to get minimal sediment in their bottle conditioned beer.

 

[Galena]

Perhaps a few of us could rally round to help out.

I'm not sure sure that it's still bottle conditioned. I can't find any indication to that effect on the bottle or at the brewery site. I'd send them an email and ask before buying a case.

It would appear that it is, from the Adnams Website:

TALLY-HO BOTTLES​

Rated 4.9 out of 5

98 ReviewsBased on 98 reviews
Click to go to reviews

£27.99

• Barley Wine
• 7.2%
• 12x330ml

Tally-Ho is a limited edition barley wine that has been brewed at Adnams since 1880. Bottle conditioned and dark mahogany red in colour, Tally-Ho's Christmas cake richness and warmth lends itself to wintery, fireside evenings. Each year'... Read more

 

[Agentgonzo]

It would appear that it is, from the Adnams Website:

TALLY-HO BOTTLES​

Rated 4.9 out of 5

98 ReviewsBased on 98 reviews
Click to go to reviews

£27.99

• Barley Wine
• 7.2%
• 12x330ml

Tally-Ho is a limited edition barley wine that has been brewed at Adnams since 1880. Bottle conditioned and dark mahogany red in colour, Tally-Ho's Christmas cake richness and warmth lends itself to wintery, fireside evenings. Each year'... Read more

Bottle conditioned doesn't necessarily mean the primary yeast strain. It's often said on forums that breweries use a different yeast strain for bottling... Though this could just be an echo chamber of people repeating what they have heard, or it could be true. .

Is broadside itself bottle conditioned? My wife came back with a bottle of it from the supermarket a couple of weeks ago and yummed it up.

 

[Galena]

Bottle conditioned doesn't necessarily mean the primary yeast strain. It's often said on forums that breweries use a different yeast strain for bottling... Though this could just be an echo chamber of people repeating what they have heard, or it could be true. .

Is broadside itself bottle conditioned? My wife came back with a bottle of it from the supermarket a couple of weeks ago and yummed it up.

Indeed, I did discuss that perhaps they had used a bottling yeast for the Ghost Ship above. Broadside is not bottle fermented afaik only the Tally Ho makes that claim. I emailed them yesterday asking if they did the Broadside in mini casks, to which they replied no. They do offer polypins so I guess the yeast could be obtained that way, though it is local delivery only

 

[An Ankoù]

It would appear that it is, from the Adnams Website:

TALLY-HO BOTTLES​

Rated 4.9 out of 5

98 ReviewsBased on 98 reviews
Click to go to reviews

£27.99

• Barley Wine
• 7.2%
• 12x330ml

Tally-Ho is a limited edition barley wine that has been brewed at Adnams since 1880. Bottle conditioned and dark mahogany red in colour, Tally-Ho's Christmas cake richness and warmth lends itself to wintery, fireside evenings. Each year'... Read more

You're right. I must get some.

 

[Nucbrewer]

Good shout, yes it is and says "The bottled version is brewed at the same time as the cask beer and each vintage is unique and can also be kept and matured in bottle." and " Tally-Ho's Christmas cake richness and warmth lends itself to wintery, fireside evenings", the Christmas cake richness is also apt for Broadside.It looks like I may have to buy 12 bottles, I may struggle to drink all that at 7.5%

As far as I’m aware the yeast used to bottle condition Tally Ho is not the one used for brewing the beer.

 

[Galena]

As far as I’m aware the yeast used to bottle condition Tally Ho is not the one used for brewing the beer.

hmmm, that was my fear

 

[Agentgonzo]

As far as I’m aware the yeast used to bottle condition Tally Ho is not the one used for brewing the beer.

So back to my previous point, where does this information come from? I'm not disputing it, I just hear this kind of stuff on the forums a lot and wonder where the actual information has come from

 

[Nucbrewer]

So back to my previous point, where does this information come from? I'm not disputing it, I just hear this kind of stuff on the forums a lot and wonder where the actual information has come from

https://www.jimsbeerkit.co.uk/forum...eywords=Adnams+yeast&t=44450&sf=msgonly&ch=-1
Apparently Nottingham is used but agree it may be speculation. The Malt miller guys spent a day at adnams and formulated their own clone recipe using two commercially available yeasts. Is WLP 025 discontinued?

 

[An Ankoù]

I've no idea what they use to condition their bottles, but if it were me, I'd be using something like F2 for a beer with such a high FG and piles of residual sugars.
I still think your best bet for the dual strain is a party keg or a polypin.
Of course I could be totally wrong. I didn't even know that broadside was bottle conditioned!

 

[Galena]

Is WLP 025 discontinued?

I believe it is only available now for commercial breweries.

I didn't even know that broadside was bottle conditioned!

It isn't afaik, a polypin would be the best way I guess it's just getting some that's a problem.