What The Hell Are The Police Doing

[Saisonator]

Arresting this guy?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-arrested-burglar-stabbed-death-break-in.html
He deserves a big thanks for stopping this scum making more victims feel unsafe in their own homes.
:headbang:

 

[aamcle]

They arrest anything that moves, if he's charged that's another matter.


aamcle

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I know where you are coming from but they have to arrest him then investigate, I hope they find the other POS.

 

[Thumper]

Always a tricky one, this, because we don't know the full facts. But at first glance it looks like he had reason to fear for his safety, and thus this is self defence. I imagine that if it ever did go to trial a jury would decide the same, but if they've arrested him then that would suggest that they have reason to believe that it wasn't so simple.

 

[GhostShip]

To be fair to the Police, they had no option but to arrest him because someone has died. He'll be treated with the upmost sympathy and respect.

I agree it does look odd though. Arrested for protecting his own home. If he'd died in the struggle, he'd now be being hailed as a 'have-a-go hero'.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Arrested for protecting his own home. If he'd died in the struggle, he'd now be being hailed as a 'have-a-go hero'.

If someone enters your home you should be able to do whatever you want to them to protect your family i know you are only supposed to use necessary force but sod that if scum enter your home and you smash them over the head in self defence and they later die so be it.

 

[aj65]

I think if someone breaks into your home he/she has forfeited any rights.
I’m sure the only reason they are given rights is down to some smary lawyer trying to make some dirty money.

 

[Bigcol49]

. . . as I struggled with the burglar I grabbed his knife and it accidentally entered his body . . . twenty-seven times.

 

[IainM]

Courts are usually very understanding with this kind of thing, but I don't think people who break into peoples homes should forfeit all their rights. Killing or injuring in self-defence is one thing, but sadists can't be given a free card to torture a burglar, and I think the right call was made in the Tony Martin case. After all, he did boast in the pub about how he would kill a burglar, and he shot a 16 year old kid when he was running away. That kid could've turned his life around and execution by shotgun was not the right punishment for the crime.

 

[Saisonator]

. . . as I struggled with the burglar I grabbed his knife and it accidentally entered his body . . . twenty-seven times.

If you were at home a with wife and children in bed and an armed burglar broke into your house, you may well not be thinking straight enough during a struggle to decide what is proportionate force. Your only thought would probably be saving your own life and that of your family, even if it involved terminating the threat permanently.

The burglar had a choice in this situation, you didn't.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I had a feeling the Tony Martin case would be discussed and i agree with the above if you enter someones property uninvited you leave your rights at the door/window if i had a gun and there were people in my house i would shoot them before hey could harm me or my family i would not care in which direction they are running.

 

[aj65]

...if the burglar enters someone’s home knowing that they have no rights, maybe that will make them think twice about what there doing. If it doesn’t then why should they be given any rights. If those 2 hadn’t broken into Tony Martins house they would still be alive today. How is it his fault, he didn’t ask burglars to come to his home so he could test his shotgun.

 

[IainM]

I had a feeling the Tony Martin case would be discussed and i agree with the above if you enter someones property uninvited you leave your rights at the door/window if i had a gun and there were people in my house i would shoot them before hey could harm me or my family i would not care in which direction they are running.

If you are holding a shotgun at them and they are running away, how much harm do you think they could do to you?

 

[Clint]

I was told a story many years ago about a chap who had a very friendly bull terrier...the English type. .pointy ears,piggy look about it. It would let ANYONE in the house,no bother,no growling or barking. It would however only let you out with the owners permission. ....
One morning the owner had a retained "guest" to deal with. "Gently "held by the back of the leg....
"Good dog!"

 

[Chippy_Tea]

If you are holding a shotgun at them and they are running away, how much harm do you think they could do to you?

I guess if i was at the top of the stairs and i had a shotgun and to get at my family meant they had to get past me then i would not shoot unless they came at me, if i had a big farmhouse with several rooms and corridors and i was in my seventies i would probably shoot first and worry about the consequences later.

 

[IainM]

I guess if i was at the top of the stairs and i had a shotgun and to get at my family meant they had to get past me then i would not shoot unless they came at me, if i had a big farmhouse with several rooms and corridors and i was in my seventies i would probably shoot first and worry about the consequences later.

Tony Martin was 55, living on his own, and the kid was already halfway through the window trying to escape.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I stand corrected i read this headline and assumed it was when he shot the lad not years later.

Its easy with hindsight to say he should not have shot the lad but put yourself in his shoes, you are alone and scared and its dark they are inside your house and you don't know how many of them there are and if they are armed and there may be more outside, what would you do.

Norfolk farmer Tony Martin who shot burglar dead will face no new gun charges
The 71-year-old was arrested after police searched his isolated farmhouse but weapon discovered was "not viable", say officers

 

[Clint]

Yeah perhaps he should have let him go...then during his next burglary he could have given an old lady a bit of a thrashing by mistake...sorry these people are bad and fully understand what could happen when they go about it...getting caught,battered or shot or whatever is an occupational hazard....and as for what people say they would do in the circumstances of your family being intruded on at night..you will never know until,god forbid,it happens.

 

[marshbrewer]

ony Martin was 55, living on his own, and the kid was already halfway through the window trying to escape.

A 'kid' who was 16, with two of his thieving scum mates, a 'kid' who had several convictions for violent offences, including assaulting the police, who could well have gone outside for help, to get more of his scum mates, do god knows what; not some rosy cheeked angel who was innocently walking along, going 'tra la la la la' when some horrid, evil country dweller sprung his trap shouting 'bwa ha ha ha ha ha'.

Those of us who live in very rural locations are unlikely to see any help from the police within an hour (at best - if at all). If Martin hadn't shot those two guys in his house, what do you think they, and their mate waiting outside, would have done? Invited him outside for a gypsy sing song?

There are places in the world that have 'no retreat' type laws in place where, basically, burglars have little, if any, rights. Incidences of people 'torturing' helpless burglars are so low as to be almost non existent. 'Hot' (i.e. occupier present) burglaries in those territories are much reduced, meaning more families remain safe.

I know which I would prefer.

Finally, Martin was convicted of manslaughter and given 3 years, not convicted of 'executing' Baras.

 

[aj65]

Martin had also been burgled on a few occasions before so really can’t blame him... on another note the other guy tried to sue Martin for loss of earnings ffs you couldn’t make it up