What do do with Wherry

[johnc86]

My Wherry has been fermenting in my FV for coming up to 2 weeks. The gravity is 0.14/16ish.
I have taken a few samples from the FV tap and it tastes pretty good already. It is however very cloudy. I'd like to try and get this as clear as possible before putting it my new corny.

Any ideas? Iv read about people racking into a second FV to clear it but i can't work out how this will clear it.....

Would transferring to another FV and then priming it there before racking to the corny clear it and make it a bit stronger too?

Also I don't know what is the best method for racking it into the corny. I have read that the beer should be transferred as smoothly as possible. Should I syphon instead of using the tap, this being the case?

Thanks for any help.

 

[jamesb]

Do you have a cold place you could put it in, the cold will help drop the yeast out of suspension.

Do you have a tap on your FV, or will you be using a syphon?

 

[johnc86]

Do you have a cold place you could put it in, the cold will help drop the yeast out of suspension.

The shed?

Do you have a tap on your FV, or will you be using a syphon?

Yes mate I have a tap on my FV. This is what I am asking, whether it's OK to use the tap to transfer to the Corny. I read that its important to transfer as smoothly as possible. Dropping it out of the FV into the Keg below doesnt seem all that smooth to me....pretty vigarous if anything .
Using the tap would be easiest though for sure but I'm happy to syphon if that's best.. What do you think?

 

[jamesb]

Do you have a cold place you could put it in, the cold will help drop the yeast out of suspension.

The shed?

That'll do! Try and get it below 10degC for a couple of days.

[quote:25yz7yz7]Do you have a tap on your FV, or will you be using a syphon?

Yes mate I have a tap on my FV. This is what I am asking, whether it's OK to use the tap to transfer to the Corny. I read that its important to transfer as smoothly as possible. Dropping it out of the FV into the Keg below doesnt seem all that smooth to me....pretty vigarous if anything .
Using the tap would be easiest though for sure but I'm happy to syphon if that's best.. What do you think?[/quote:25yz7yz7]

Pressurise and release the cornie a few times to expel any air. Then connect your tap to the black disconnect with a piece of hose, put it on and transfer away. You'll need to pull the pressure release if the lid has sealed so that excess gas can get out and be replaced by beer.

 

[johnc86]

Il stick it in the shed then tonight. hope I dont end up with a big bucket shaped block of beer ice :shock: .

Pressurise and release the cornie a few times to expel any air. Then connect your tap to the black disconnect with a piece of hose, put it on and transfer away. You'll need to pull the pressure release if the lid has sealed so that excess gas can get out and be replaced by beer.

I think I get this. Just a couple of question though if that's ok......

First off, you say "you'll need to pull the pressure release if the lid has sealed so that excess gas can get out and be replaced by beer". Would you have to jam it open until all the beer has flowed from the FV into the keg??

Secondly, when you say hose - I have a length of syphon tubing that I got with my young's beer kit. I think this would go onto the disconnect but I cant see how it would stay attached to the tap. Unless you mean propper garden esk hose - in which case I still can't fathom out how it would stay attached to the tap :rofl: .

Sorry to be a pain mate. I really am pretty dim :lol: .

Thanks.

 

[jamesb]

First off, you say "you'll need to pull the pressure release if the lid has sealed so that excess gas can get out and be replaced by beer". Would you have to jam it open until all the beer has flowed from the FV into the keg??

Yep. If you lift it up and twist it by 90 degrees, it will stay open.

Secondly, when you say hose - I have a length of syphon tubing that I got with my young's beer kit. I think this would go onto the disconnect but I cant see how it would stay attached to the tap. Unless you mean propper garden esk hose - in which case I still can't fathom out how it would stay attached to the tap :rofl: .

You could do with finding some way of attaching it to the tap. For most of us, this means bodging around with little bits of various sized pipes.

You could just syphon it this time and work out something better later on.

 

[johnc86]

Yep. If you lift it up and twist it by 90 degrees, it will stay open.

Would never have known that. Id have been sat or stood there keeping it pulled out for time it took to fill up :whistle: .

Il have look at the tap later on after work and see what could be done hose wise. The bit of the tap that you would probably try and clip tubing/hosing over is only about a cm in length so it might prove difficult. I imagine it needs to be fastened on pretty tight...... Il sort something out.

Cheers :thumb: .

:drink:

 

[darrenwest1]

mine took about 2-3 months to clear but once it had it was great ive just started another batch yesterday as i say it took a lot longer that the box said but well worth the wait

 

[The Seer]

My Wherry dropped to 1011-1012.

I used to place my regular pressure barrels in the tin shed outside. The taste wasn't quite so good with many of the brews in barrels outside. Moved indoors, much better.

The wherry still cleared, though I drank several pints before it did. Probably about six weeks until fully clear. Then the barrel was nearly empty.

 

[tubby_shaw]

There is an alternative if using a corny
Use whichever finings you feel comfortable with, wait until it's clear and then transfer it to the corny and then force carbonate it :thumb:

 

[johnc86]

when you say 'comfortable with'.....

I assume people may be uncomfortable with gelatine as a fining as its an animal product, right? the thought of this - and I'm no vegetarian - does not sit too comfortably with me. But then, most or many of the cask beer's I enjoy in the pub probably use gelatine without me even realising so.....

I'm having a quick read on wikipedia abut fining's now. What are the pro's and cons?

 

[jamesb]

when you say 'comfortable with'.....
I assume people may be uncomfortable with gelatine as a fining as its an animal product, right? the thought of this - and I'm no vegetarian - does not sit too comfortably with me. But then, most or many of the cask beer's I enjoy in the pub probably use gelatine without me even realising so.....
I'm having a quick read on wikipedia abut fining's now. What are the pro's and cons?

Most commercial beers will use isinglass instead, which is chopped up fish swim bladders!

Theoretically, you don't actually drink the stuff - it sits at the bottom of the cask.

Pros - clears the beer quicker
Cons - unsuitable for veggies or people who are squeamish.

I'd just use it.

 

[johnc86]

There are non animal ones though - do these work as good? Im not that squeemish about fish but's (ok well maybe I am a litte bit) - some of my mates are veggie though and I like to share my beer. Pass the book :sick:

:wha:

 

[jamesb]

There are non animal ones though - do these work as good? Im not that squeemish about fish but's (ok well maybe I am a litte bit) - some of my mates are veggie though and I like to share my beer. Pass the book :sick:
:wha:

I'm not aware of a non-animal one as standard finings. There are auxillary finings, which are usually silica or plastic but these are for a different purpose.

 

[johnc86]

Wiki say's irish moss is a fining is this an auxillary one?

 

[jamesb]

Wiki say's irish moss is a fining is this an auxillary one?

It's a copper fining. You use it when brewing extract or all-grain and it causes the proteins to coagulate together so we don't end up with a protein or chill haze. It's not used for dropping yeast out.

 

[johnc86]

Wiki say's irish moss is a fining is this an auxillary one?

It's a copper fining. You use it when brewing extract or all-grain and it causes the proteins to coagulate together so we don't end up with a protein or chill haze. It's not used for dropping yeast out.

Might have to use the fish one then :sick: .

Will the high pressure not clear it when If I force carbonate the corny?

 

[jamesb]

Will the high pressure not clear it when If I force carbonate the corny?

No. If you don't use finings, only time will clear it. Or cold (hence lagering).

 

[Aleman]

You could try Vegegel . . . which is a vegetarian 'Gelatine' . . . Its normally found next to the Dr Oetekers Gelatine in Supermarkets.

 

[johnc86]

You could try Vegegel . . . which is a vegetarian 'Gelatine' . . . Its normally found next to the Dr Oetekers Gelatine in Supermarkets.

Does this stuff taint the beer flavour wise?