What are the differences between yeasts? Stupid Alert!

[starspud1]

I admit i'm probably being stupid here, but i currently use wine yeast to make my cider. What are the actual differences between the different yeast? After all they all do the same thing in the end don't they?
As a logical guess, do they add to or enhance flavours?

It would certainly help me when i next go the the homebrew shop (which i rarely visit - it's miles away)

cheers
bazza

 

[pittsy]

different yeasts give different style of flavours and different yeasts are needed for different jobs such as fermentation temps like a larger yeast is needed for low temp and ale yeasts like a weisen for higher temps . you may have many different ingredients but its all about the yeast at the end of the day that makes the real difference , if i was to brew 2 identical sets of grains and used different style of yeasts i would get 2 different beers

 

[starspud1]

Wow, that's just complicated it a whole lot more for me now but thanks for that. I suppose it makes sense.

So i guess that when making my cider i would get a much better result by using cider yeast would i? And ginger beer would be better with an ale yeast?

 

[pittsy]

lol thats where its a bit f^^^ed up cuz yes AND no , depends on what your brewing but cider yeast or champagne yeast for cider and sparkling wine or champagne yeast for ginger beer also depends on if a high alcohol is being brewed then a different yeast is needed. to make things simple though ask here for peoples advice plus do a google search on yeasts etc for info thats the way i'm learning :thumb:

 

[pittsy]

Yeast strains list these are for beers , note how so many cuz its the yeast that makes the big difference,


White Labs

Name Brewery
WLP001 California Ale Sierra Nevada
WLP002 English Ale Fullers
WLP003 German Ale II
WLP004 Irish Stout Guinness
WLP005 British Ale Ringwood
WLP006 Bedford Ale Charles Wells
WLP007
Dry English Ale
Whitbred - dry
WLP008 East Coast Ale Sam Adam's
WLP009
Australian Ale Yeast

Coopers
WLP010
Anniversary Ale Blend

WLP001, WLP002, WLP004, WLP810
WLP011
European Ale
Wisenschaftliche Station #338 (Munich)
WLP013
London Ale
Worthington White Shield
WLP022 Essex Ale Ridley's Ale near Chelmsford, UK
WLP023
Burton Ale
Henley of Thames (Brakspear Bitter)
WLP025 Southwold Adnam's?
WLP026 Premium bitter Marstons
WLP028 Edinburgh Ale McEwan's
WLP029
German Ale/Kolsch Yeast
PJ Früh, Köln
WLP036
Düsseldorf Alt Yeast
Düsseldorf (Zum Uerige)
WLP039
Nottingham Ale Yeast
UK, chosen from multistrain - same as Danstar Nottingham
WLP041 Pacific Ale Yeast (Red Hook?)
WLP051 California V Anchor Liberty
WLP060 American Ale Yeast Blend (WLP001, WLP051, WLP810?)
WLP099 Super High Gravity Thomas Hardy
WLP300 Hefeweizen Ale Weihenstephan 68
WLP320 American Hefeweizen Ale Zum Uerige (through Widmer)
WLP351 Bavarian Weizen Yeast Weihenstephan 175
WLP380 Hefeweizen IV Ale Weihenstephan 66?
WLP400 Belgian Wit Ale Hoegaarden/Celis
WLP410 Belgian Wit II Moortgat Brouwerij (via Ommegang?)
WLP500 Trappist Ale Chimay
WLP510 Bastogne Belgian Ale Orval
WLP515 Antwerp Ale Yeast
De Koninck
WLP530 Abbey Ale Yeast
Westmalle
WLP540
Abbey IV Ale Yeast Rochefort
WLP550
Belgian Ale Yeast Achouffe
WLP565 Belgian Saison Brasserie Dupont (Saison Dupont)
WLP566 Saison II Vieille Provision Saison Dupont
WLP570 Belgian Golden Ale Duvel (Moortgart) via McEwans
WLP575 Belgian Style Ale Yeast Blend WLP500, WLP530, WLP550
WLP800 Pilsner Lager Pilsner Urquell
WLP802 Czech Budejovice Samsons via Budejovicky Mestansky Pivovar
WLP810 San Francisco Lager Anchor Steam
WLP820 Octoberfest/Marzen Lager Weihenstephan 206
WLP830 German Lager Weihenstephan 34/70
WLP833
Bock Lager
Ayinger Brewery
WLP840 American Pilsner Budweiser
WLP885 Zurich Lager Samichlaus
WLP940 Mexican lager Grupo Modelo


Wyeast

Strain Brewery
1007 German Ale Düsseldorf (Zum Uerige)
1010 American Wheat Widmer vis Zum Uerige
1026 British Cask Ale Oranjeboom and then was adopted by a UK brewery
1028 London Ale Worthington White Shield
1056 American ale Sierra Nevada (Seibel 96)
1084 Irish ale Guinness
1098 British ale Whitbread - dry
1099 Whitbread ale Whitbread
1187 Ringwood ale Pripps Brewery, Sweden (aka 1742 Swedish porter)
1214 Belgian ale Chimay
1272 American ale II Anchor Liberty
1275 Thames Valley ale Henley of Thames (Brakspear Bitter)
1318 London ale III Boddingtons
1332 Northwest ale Hales Brewery in Seattle via Gales Brewery UK
1338 European ale Wisenschaftliche Station #338 (Munich)
1388 Belgian Strong ale Duvel (Moortgart) via McEwans
1469 West Yorkshire Ale Timothy Taylor
1728 Scottish ale McEwans
1762 Abbey II Rochefort
1768 English Special Bitter Youngs brewery
1968 London ESB Fullers
2000 Budvar Lager yeast Budvar
2001 Urquell Lager yeast Pilsner Urquell lager H-strain
2002 Gambrinus lager Gambrinus lager H-strain
2007 St Louis lager Budweiser
2035 American lager August Schell
2042 Danish lager Miller via Carlsberg
2105 Rocky Mountain Lager Coors
2112 California lager Anchor
2124 Bohemian lager Weihenstephan 34/70
2206 Bavarian lager Weihenstephan 206
2272 North American lager Christian Schmidt (Philadelphia brewery)
2278 Czech Pils Pilsner Urquell-D
2308 Munich lager Wisenschaftliche Station #308 (Munich)
2450 Denny’s Favorite 50 Brewtek CL50
2487 Hella-Bock Yeast Ayinger
2565 Kölsch Weihenstephan 165, Köln (Päffgen?)
2575PC Kölsch II Weihenstephan W165
2782 Staropramen lager via Paddock Wood in Canadia
3068 Weihenstephan wheat Weihenstephan 68 (S. delbrueckii single strain)
3463 Forbidden Fruit wheat Hoegaarden (assumed to be from Verboden Vrucht)
3522 Belgian Ardennes Achouffe
3538 Leuven Pale Ale Corsendonk-Bocq
3638 Bavarian Wheat Yeast Weihenstephan 175
3711
French Saison Brasserie Thiriez
3724
Belgian Saison Yeast Saison du Pont
3725
Biere De Garde
Soy-Erezée, Belgium
3726
Farmhouse Ale
Blaugies, Belgium
3763
Roeselare Ale Blend
Rodenbach
3787 Trappish High Gravity Westmalle
3864 Canadian/Belgian Ale Yeast Unibroue
3942 Belgian Wheat Esen, Belgium (De Dolle)
3944 Belgian Witbier Hoegaarden/ Celis White

Comparison
WLP vs Wyeast

White Labs Wyeast
WLP001 California Ale Yeast 1056 American Ale Yeast
WLP002 English Ale Yeast 1968 London ESB
WLP003 German Ale II 2575PC Kolsch II
WLP004 Irish Ale Yeast 1084 Irish Ale Yeast
WLP005 British Ale Yeast 1187 Ringwood Ale Yeast
WLP007 Dry English Ale Yeast 1098 Whitbread - dry
WLP008 East Coast Ale Yeast n/a
WLP011 European Ale Yeast 1338 European Ale Yeast
WLP013 London Ale Yeast 1028 London Ale Yeast
WLP022 Essex Ale Yeast (PS/Mar-Apr) n/a
WLP023 Burton Ale Yeast 1275 Thames Valley Ale Yeast
WLP025 Southwold Ale Yeast(PS/Nov-Dec) 1335 British Ale Yeast II
WLP026 Premium Bitter Yeast (PS/May-Jun) n/a
WLP028 Edinburgh Scottish Ale Yeast 1728 Scottish Ale Yeast
WLP029 German Ale/Kolsch Yeast n/a
WLP033 Klassic Ale Yeast n/a
WLP036 Düsseldorf Alt Yeast 1007 German Ale
WLP051 California V Ale Yeast 1272 American Ale YeastII
WLP099 Super High Gravity Ale Yeast n/a
WLP300 Hefeweizen Ale Yeast 3068 Weihenstephan Weizen Yeast
WLP320 American Hefeweizen Ale Yeast n/a
WLP351 Bavarian Weizen Yeast 3638 Bavarian Wheat Yeast
WLP380 Hefeweizen IV Ale Yeast 3333 GermanWheat Yeast
WLP400 BelgianWit Ale Yeast 3944 Belgian Witbier Yeast
WLP410 BelgianWit II Yeast n/a
WLP500 Trappist Ale Yeast 1214 Belgian Ale Yeast
WLP510 Belgian Bastone Ale Yeast n/a
WLP530 Abbey Ale Yeast 3787 Trappist High Gravity
WLP540 Abbey IV Ale Yeast 1762 Abbey II
WLP550 Belgian Ale Yeast 3522 Belgian Ardennes
WLP565 Saison Ale Yeast 3724 Belgian Saison Yeast
WLP566 Saison II n/a
WLP570 Belgian Golden Ale Yeast 1388 Belgian Strong Ale Yeast
WLP720 Sweet Mead /Wine Yeast 3463 Forbidden Fruit Yeast
WLP800 Pilsner Lager Yeast 2001 Urquell
WLP802 Czech Budejovice Lager Yeast n/a
WLP810 San Francisco Lager Yeast 2112 California Lager Yeast
WLP820 Oktoberfest Lager Yeast 2206 Bavarian Lager Yeast
WLP830 German Lager Yeast 2124 Bohemian Lager Yeast
WLP833 German Bock Yeast 2487 Hella-Bock
WLP838 SouthernGerman Lager Yeast 2308 Munich Lager Yeast
WLP840 American Pilsner Lager Yeast 2007 Pilsen Lager Yeast
WLP885 Zurich Lager Yeast n/a
WLP920 Old Bavarian Lager Yeast 2247 European Lager Yeast
WLP940 Mexican LagerYeast n/a

Wyeast vs WLP

Wyeast White Labs
1007 German Ale Yeast WLP036 Düsseldorf Alt Yeast
1010 American Wheat n/a
1026 British Cask Ale n/a
1028 London Ale Yeast WLP013 London Ale Yeast
1056 American Ale Yeast WLP001 California Ale Yeast
1084 Irish Ale Yeast WLP004 Irish Ale Yeast
1098 British Ale Yeast WLP007 English Dry
1099 Whitbread Ale Yeast n/a
1187 Ringwood Ale Yeast WLP005 British Ale Yeast
1214 Belgian Ale Yeast WLP500 Trappist ale
1272 American Ale Yeast II WLP051 California V Ale Yeast
1275 Thames Valley Ale Yeast WLP023 Burton Ale Yeast
1318 London Ale Yeast III n/a
1332 Northwest Ale Yeast n/a
1335 British Ale Yeast II WLP025 Southwold Ale Yeast(PS/Nov-Dec)
1338 European Ale Yeast WLP011 European Ale Yeast
1388 Belgian Strong Ale Yeast WLP570 Belgian Golden Ale Yeast
1728 Scottish Ale Yeast WLP028 Edinburgh Scottish Ale Yeast
1762 Belgian Abbey YeastII WLP540 Abbey IV Ale Yeast
1768 English Special Bitter n/a
1968 London ESB Ale Yeast WLP002 English Ale Yeast
2001 Pilsen Lager Yeast WLP800 Pilsner Lager Yeast
2007 Pilsen Lager Yeast WLP840 American Pilsner Lager Yeast
2035 American Lager Yeast n/a
2105 Rocky Mountain Lager n/a
2112 California Lager Yeast WLP810 San Francisco Lager Yeast
2124 Bohemian Lager Yeast WLP830 German Lager Yeast
2206 Bavarian Lager Yeast WLP820 Oktoberfest Lager Yeast
2247 European Lager Yeast WLP920 Old Bavarian Lager Yeast
2272 North American Lager Yeast WLP840 American Pilsner Lager Yeast
2278 Czech Pils Yeast n/a
2308 Munich Lager Yeast WLP838 Southern German Lager Yeast
2450PC Denny’s Favorite 50 n/a
2487 Hella-Bock Yeast WLP833 German Bock Yeast
2565 Kolsch Yeast n/a
2575PC Kolsch II WLP003 German Ale II
3068 Weihenstephan Weizen Yeast WLP300 Hefeweizen Ale Yeast
3333 GermanWheat Yeast WLP380 Hefeweizen IV Ale Yeast
3463 Forbidden Fruit Yeast WLP720 Sweet Mead /Wine Yeast
3522 Belgian Ardennes Yeast WLP550 Belgian Ale Yeast
3638 Bavarian Wheat Yeast WLP351 Bavarian Weizen Yeast
3724 Belgian Saison Yeast
WLP565 Saison Ale Yeast
3725 Biere De Garde
n/a
3726 Farmhouse Ale
n/a
3763PC Roeselare Ale Blend
n/a
3787 Trappist High Gravity WLP530 Abbey Ale Yeast
3942 Belgian Wheat Yeast n/a
3944 Belgian Witbier Yeast WLP400 BelgianWit Ale Yeast
n/a WLP003 German Ale II Yeast(PS/May-Jun)
n/a WLP008 East Coast Ale Yeast
n/a WLP022 Essex Ale Yeast (PS/Mar-Apr)
n/a WLP026 Premium Bitter Yeast (PS/May-Jun)
n/a WLP033 Klassic Ale Yeast
n/a WLP099 Super High Gravity Ale Yeast
n/a WLP833 German Bock Yeast
n/a WLP885 Zurich Lager Yeast
n/a WLP940 Mexican LagerYeast

 

[RobWalker]

Cripes, big list.

Cider generally ferments well with anything, wine yeast is fine, i often use montrachet cos its cheap! Nottingham and s-04 are said to be good too as they improve the fruit flavour.

Only when you get pretty serious, or when you brew beer, will yeast make a huuugge difference. The best thing you can do for cider is look into chemical additives - pectic enzyme, citric acid, tannin - or vary the ingredients or blend of apples. As they say, as long as the beers good, its all.good!

 

[pittsy]

yeast list above ,i should of mentioned the list ain't so bad as many as mentioned 2 or 3 times as its wyeast then white labs then a list of same as each other etc so its about a third long as it really is

 

[Dronfieldbrewer]

Nice one pitsy..

Which one is Hopback?

 

[Darcey]

I have started doing comparison brews (in beer) as I now ALMOST have the brew cellar sorted. I'll make ~50l of wort and ferment in two FV's with two yeasts at the same temperature. First attempt thats going at the moment is a pale ale with US-05 (or WLP001) and S04 as really these are the two I have used the most!!

I think Aleman posted in the case of beer anyway that the yeast can have a say in 70% of a beers, obviously with lots of a certain grain or hop you will get that coming thru but the yeast will interpret it in a different way.

D

 

[jampot]

Trying to find a yeast that bring that bready flavour like in Hopbacks GFB

 

[tazuk]

omg wot a list here is test some body did with some yeast :thumb:

http://scottishcraftbrewers.org/?p=675

 

[The Goatreich]

Oh christ, this is a question I have too as until I started AG I just used the packaged yeast.

Is there a particular go-to yeast for different beer types?

EG, SO4 for darks, Nottingham for pales? I've used those as examples as they're the two I've used for my two AGs so far, but neither are ready to taste yet. I'd love to try the same batch with two different yeasts as an experiment.

 

[dennisking]

Appreciate you probably have blisters with all the typing and I applaud the effort, but there was a very heated thread over on Jim's about the validity of that research into the origins of the yeasts. Kristen England, author of the piece and Graham Wheeler would have come to blows if they had been in same room. My recollection was that Graham had the strongest argument, i.e. why would they call WLP013 London if it originated from Worthington White shield, a Burton brewery. And WLP023 Burton from Henley on Thames. I used to capture White shield yeast from bottles for over 10 years until my LHBS sold me my first liquid yeast which was the Wyeast London, supposed to be from White shield according to England and have to say they were totally different, certainly would never have said it was the same yeast. Can't remember Graham's idea's about the origins, if I get time will try to find it and post a link.

 

[dennisking]

Fohttp://www.jimsbeerkit.co.uk/forum/vi ... t=30060und it

 

[Hawks]

http://www.jimsbeerkit.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30060

amusing read.. nearly everyone coming to blows... I did like GWs stance though and it makes a lot of sense.