Veganuary.

[stephen1546]

Perhaps more cook books? Compare home many different types of meat people eat (chicken, pork, lamb, beef and fish) to how many different types of fruit an veg you people eat (hundreds of the buggers. So many I'm not even going to attempt to type a list out)

And i ate all of them for 18 months!!. It was a fry up that got me in the end. Good luck dude!

 

[An Ankoù]

Is kosher or halal meat really widely available in supermarkets? I thought there were specialist butchers for these. Certainly, I have seen specialist kosher sections in some supermarkets, but they were for dry products or wine, not for meat.

 

[stephen1546]

Is kosher or halal meat really widely available in supermarkets? I thought there were specialist butchers for these. Certainly, I have seen specialist kosher sections in some supermarkets, but they were for dry products or wine, not for meat.

One of our local Pizza shops uses halal meat.. A well known chain.

 

[marshbrewer]

Is kosher or halal meat really widely available in supermarkets? I

This is the root cause of the problem. There are no labeling standards or requirements to indicate the method of slaughter in the UK. Obviously, you can't claim something is something it isn't, so you can't call non helal meat helal, or kosher, or whatever, but that's about it. And again, if something is labelled as helal, there is no method of indicating if it was stunned or not.

It can't be beyond the wit of mankind to come up with a stunned / not stunned labelling standard.

 

[Rodcx500z]

Think its called transparency, they won't label it because they know they would be sued because they are lieing

 

[Brew_DD2]

I think clear labeling would be the answer as regards stunned / not stunned.

I agree. Even better would be to outlaw slaughter without stunning first.

 

[Brew_DD2]

Is kosher or halal meat really widely available in supermarkets? I thought there were specialist butchers for these. Certainly, I have seen specialist kosher sections in some supermarkets, but they were for dry products or wine, not for meat.

Most supermarkets sell meat that is halal. It just isn't labelled as such.

 

[marshbrewer]

I agree. Even better would be to outlaw slaughter without stunning first.

Personally, that would suit my moral / philosophical position, but I am wary of imposing that on others, so I think clear labeling would be my preference, in the hope that discussion and reasoned argument would eventually mean the amount of non stunned meat produced would taper to zero.

 

[Dexter101]

In general I think as a species we are so far removed from the food chain/cycle that we have no concept of food.

We eat 3 meals a day out of habit (rather than because our body needs sustenance), we eat selected cuts of meat, we under eat vegetables, we don't eat living creatures because they are cute, we don't eat certain fish because they are ugly.

The whole world is becoming more and more Binary (ironically even nonbinary...)

I have days where I don't eat dairy, I have days where I don't eat meat. I probably have days I don't eat fruit but this is all in balance.

I buy products based on making sure the animals have had the best life possible. Local eggs from friends or organic eggs (free range farming criteria is that birds have access to outdoor space).

I eat as many different cuts of meat as I can and as wide a range of meats as possible. if the world was totally vegan, I would guess the rabbit population would probably take over, especially if farmers aren't able to kill them...

I think sometimes we have removed the animal part of us. A chicken doesn't think twice about eating an insect. people don't want to eat chickens because its a living thing. would they eat insects or should the chicken stop eating insects too?

A vegan colleague of mine was telling me (in a very pleasant way, I enjoy discussing anything to do with food!) about how we shouldn't drink milk because calves are taken away from their mothers at a young age and they "moo" for them. The next day she was telling me about how her family were getting a new puppy... it was 10 weeks old.

 

[Rodcx500z]

The next day she was telling me about how her family were getting a new puppy... it was 10 weeks old.

Should be fun feeding it a vegan diet and no I am not being funny or sarcastic, I am intrigued

 

[Dexter101]

Should be fun feeding it a vegan diet and no I am not being funny or sarcastic, I am intrigued

I believe they fed it "luxury" meat based dog food...

 

[nige]

Killing anything should be done as quick as possible and as they arnt killed in the field with technology available it should be used. ******** RELIGEON should not dictate anything. All it does is cause wars. Just accept we die and that's it.

 

[dad_of_jon]

As I am anti-religious for want of a better word, I don't want the intervention of any religious beliefs to cause unnecessary suffering to animals. High welfare standards for animals raised for food is important.

 

[An Ankoù]

As I am anti-religious for want of a better word, I don't want the intervention of any religious beliefs to cause unnecessary suffering to animals. High welfare standards for animals raised for food is important.

Dead right. The trouble is that animal farmers seem not to give a holy toss about religion, too, and even less about their animals.
Living in the countryside, now, I see what it's like. As long as supermarkets dictate the price, welfare standards are never going to get a look in.

 

[Druncan]

I'm stunned by the interest/activity in this in a brewing forum,,,
Does this reflect a new consciousness in what we consume?
@Clint's polytunnel is the future!!!

 

[Clint]

The tunnel is work...but the results are outstanding.
"Luxury dog meat"... my Arse!
I've sold dog food for nearly 20 years...sure there's cheap and expensive. The dog won't care ..read the packet,they're all the same make up.
The most expensive part of it all will be the advertisement and the nice bag it comes in...
If if was up to me my dogs would get as an example. ..whole chickens,feet,heads,feathers an all!

 

[Chippy_Tea]

As I am anti-religious for want of a better word, I don't want the intervention of any religious beliefs to cause unnecessary suffering to animals. High welfare standards for animals raised for food is important.

Well said that man. :thumba:

 

[dad_of_jon]

I'm stunned by the interest/activity in this in a brewing forum,,,
Does this reflect a new consciousness in what we consume?
@Clint's polytunnel is the future!!!

Druncan, I've always been conscious of what i've consumed especially beer (although the ability of beer to render you unconscious of what beers I've had is always a challenge.) I'm all for proper labeling, having once bitten into a 'chicken nugget at an IT convention only to my horror to find out it was a vegetable nugget. I don't eat veg and was horrified but unable to spit it out. I still shudder thinking about it.

 

[MyQul]

To go back to the discussion on sports performance I had earlier in the thread with @strange-steve anecdotally I have noticed I get a lot less lactic acid in my quids when cycling since going vegan. This really helps with hill climbing as recumbents arent verg good at that (you cant stand on the pedals), so I'm able to spin the pedals for much longer periods of time without my thighs feeling like their going to explode.
I have heard veganism is good for endurance and also recovery. I haven't really looked into it though, so haven't any science to back this up (or indeed dispell it)

 

[BradleyW]

I'm a nutritionist by trade so have a fairly decent understanding of this topic. Firstly we're not carnivorous but omnivorous, we've evolved to eat both things that move and things that grow. The problem with meat is not necessarily the meat itself but the quantities we eat it in. Up until probably the last 75 - 100 years or so meat would come from what we hunted or what we could buy off someone who had hunted it, so it was a delicacy, something we ate maybe once or twice a week, if we were lucky. Nowadays we walk to the supermarket an buy it, we can eat meat 3 times a day, 7 days a week, and that isn't good for us. Does that mean we should become vegan, no! of course it doesn't!! But reducing your meat intake a bit, buying from sustainable reputable sources, increasing your veg intake, and you'll certainly improve your health.