Trump on the NHS.

[Dexter101]

I think if the welfare state was not there take the place financially, of the absent father, women would be a lot more choosey with who they let impregnate them.
In fact they may even insist on the FREE contraception available to everybody before they decided to do the deed.

I'm pretty sure that the father had as much opportunity to use the free contraception available as any mother did, but fortunately for them, due to biology, they don't have to carry and raise a child for there 5 minutes of pleasure.

I get your point, but I think that its a bit daft to assume every single mother goes to bed with someone on the basis they are planning a family and life of happiness with that person.

You are also saying no welfare for single mums... which surely just puts those who would actually need that support on the streets?

 

[Saisonator]

I'm pretty sure that the father had as much opportunity to use the free contraception available as any mother did, but fortunately for them, due to biology, they don't have to carry and raise a child for there 5 minutes of pleasure.

I get your point, but I think that its a bit daft to assume every single mother goes to bed with someone on the basis they are planning a family and life of happiness with that person.

You are also saying no welfare for single mums... which surely just puts those who would actually need that support on the streets?

I wouldn't necessarily stop welfare payments to them, I would however force them to disclose the identity of the father even if meant withholding some payments to get the information from them. Too many 'baby fathers' knocking about, who are not taking responsibility for their children, and too many daft women who are attracted to such 'bad boys'.
I must admit I am very much in the 'If you can't feed, don't breed' camp.

 

[simon12]

My main point in the young single mum benefits is using my cousin as an example. He split up with his girl friend and later found she was pregnant, after the child was born they got back together, if he moved in or married her they would loose over £1000 a month in her benefits. So basically the tax payer is paying her £1000 a month to stay single and making sure shes no better off living with her parents.

 

[Thumper]

I wouldn't necessarily stop welfare payments to them, I would however force them to disclose the identity of the father even if meant withholding some payments to get the information from them. Too many 'baby fathers' knocking about, who are not taking responsibility for their children, and too many daft women who are attracted to such 'bad boys'.
I must admit I am very much in the 'If you can't feed, don't breed' camp.

While I do wish that people would more carefully consider how they will raise a child before having one, I do not at all agree with the idea that women ought to have to disclose the identity of the father before receiving support. That seems unnecessarily intrusive and draconian. There are loads of reasons a woman may not wish to disclose the identity of the father, or even could not. They shouldn't be punished for that.

 

[terrym]

Shippo's is back courtesy of a brewer trained at the Belvoir Brewery and now brewing under the Shipstones name in Old Basford. Have you tried it? I've had the Best and Nut Brown in a couple of city center pubs in Nottingham and me and the others in the pub who all remember the old stuff agreed this revival makes it better than it ever was.

Which, if I remember correctly, wasn't up to much.

I wasn't there, but wasn't Bass Ale the only option in the 60s?

But if you had been there you would have known that there were plenty of decent alternatives to Bass and some better (Shippos sadly excepted), both nationally and regionally, and without names that a work experience trainee could have thought up that seem to now proliferate.

 

[Dutto]

Shippo's is back courtesy of a brewer trained at the Belvoir Brewery and now brewing under the Shipstones name in Old Basford. Have you tried it? I've had the Best and Nut Brown in a couple of city center pubs in Nottingham and me and the others in the pub who all remember the old stuff agreed this revival makes it better than it ever was.

Thanks for that.:thumb:I looked up the Belvoir Brewery on the basis that my Granny started work as the 5th Butter Maid at Belvoir Castle back in the 1890's; walking there and back every day from Bottesfod which is about 4.5 miles away.

We occasionally treat ourselves to a long weekend at a hotel near Rutland Water about 20 miles away from the brewery, so I will keep it in mind as a place to visit.

Again, many thanks!

 

[-Bezza-]

But if you had been there you would have known that there were plenty of decent alternatives to Bass and some better (Shippos sadly excepted), both nationally and regionally, and without names that a work experience trainee could have thought up that seem to now proliferate.

Whilst I was joking about there only being Bass available, my genuine preconception is that there wasn't a great range of beer styles readily available until more recently and everything was just a variation on "real ale". True or no?

 

[Dutto]

Whilst I was joking about there only being Bass available, my genuine preconception is that there wasn't a great range of beer styles readily available until more recently and everything was just a variation on "real ale". True or no?

Sorry, but "False".

The problem with today's brews is that a lot of businesses have adopted "The McDonalds Principle". The company basically sell "a burger in a bun with chips" but unless you look at the Menu carefully you can be conned into thinking that they sell a huge variety of food.

Today's beer industry is very similar. Using the basic ingredients of water, malt, hops and yeast they tweak the recipe, bugger about with the way it is brewed, call it a stupid name and then stick a price tag on it that will make your eyes water!

Back in the 60's and 70's there was still a variety of bottled and canned beers available from UK Breweries and even some from "foreign parts" so we did have "variety" but without the daft names, flavours and massive price tags.

My own start on beer was as a lad working on Butlin's Amusement Park at 15 years old was an occasional bottle of Manns Brown. As my palate matured, I went to sea and aged 17 I moved on to Tennent's Lager. This wasn't a "Life Choice" so much as a "Financial Necessity" because with a wage of £9.11.8d a month (before the removal for National Insurance at 5/5d a week) it was all I could afford; and of course it had the pretty ladies on the cans.

By the time I was in my 20's I was a genuine "Pint of Bitter" man. Even with a decent wage, the acquisition of a wife, two kids and a mortgage meant that the cost of a pub bought pint went out of reach so I started Home Brewing in the late 60's; basically Bitter to a recipe given to me by a fellow worker.

By the time I could regularly go to a pub in the early 70's the "foreign Lager flood" had started. It was cheaper than Bitter and with a dash of Lime Juice it became drinkable; and I got wooed over to the dark side for a few years. At this time I also had two consecutive brews infected at home and gave up Home Brewing for many, many years.

Happy Days - and with cheaper beers!

 

[Gunge]

I wouldn't necessarily stop welfare payments to them,
I must admit I am very much in the 'If you can't feed, don't breed' camp.

I would. And give them a cork to use at their discretion.

 

[terrym]

Whilst I was joking about there only being Bass available, my genuine preconception is that there wasn't a great range of beer styles readily available until more recently and everything was just a variation on "real ale". True or no?

You are absolutely right about the range of beers on offer 'back in the day'. On the bar it was one, or if you were lucky two bitters, maybe a mild, maybe a keg stout, and a keg lager and 'bitter'. I have been in pubs with one hand pump. Porter for example might have appeared in the licencees details above the pub entrance, but no-one brewed it, at least not to my knowledge. And there was a big variation in quality. What you now have a wide diverity of choice, but the same variation in quality. I went to the Great Beer Festival 2/3 years back and was amazed at the difference in quality of the beers on offer. But the best thing about the present is the diversity of choice which allows folks to try new things, including myself. :thumb: