Timothy Taylor landlord hops

[bez]

Has anyone had any success replicating that citrus smell and taste in cloning TT landlord. It’s almost like the taste of a lemonade bitter shandy. The suggested hops I have had no luck with. Do I need to go to the American type ipa hops. Cites mosaic etc. Any help or experience would be helpful.
It’s not dissimilar to the abbot ale.

 

[Jim Brewster]

It's a cracking beer. I don't find Landlord particularly citrusy, it's very subtle to my palate and balanced with the malt.

Looking at clone recipes they seem to have late additions of Styrian Goldings (Celeia), so that's more than likely the hop responsible. With Celeia and either East Kent Goldings or Fuggles for bittering.

The yeast is also very important for the right flavours - WYeast 1469 West Yorkshire Ale seems to be the one

I'm sure there's good clone recipes on here

 

[The Baron]

To mirror what Jim has said I too do not find Landlord to have a citrus taste, I do find Tribute has and they use Styrian Goldings also called Celeia which will give a citrus finish especially in the last 15 to 10 mins. If you go down the American hops you are deffo going away from the real hops used

 

[Sandimas]

I guess our tastes are all different: was only saying yesterday how Abbot Ale is the only ale I really dislike. Yet I love Landlord.

As above, Styrian Goldings as a late hop are the key, I grow them and they are my go-to hop for late hopping. Landlord has been around for decades, well before the citrusy US hops appeared in the UK.

Hop additions are given in this recipe, but you might want to up the Styrian Goldings or even consider a dry hop Timothy Taylor – Landlord Premium Kit - The Malt Miller

 

[bez]

It's a cracking beer. I don't find Landlord particularly citrusy, it's very subtle to my palate and balanced with the malt.

Looking at clone recipes they seem to have late additions of Styrian Goldings (Celeia), so that's more than likely the hop responsible. With Celeia and either East Kent Goldings or Fuggles for bittering.

The yeast is also very important for the right flavours - WYeast 1469 West Yorkshire Ale seems to be the one

I'm sure there's good clone recipes on here

The one I have here has a string lime aroma. It’s like putting lime in a bottle of lager

 

[bez]

I guess our tastes are all different: was only saying yesterday how Abbot Ale is the only ale I really dislike. Yet I love Landlord.

As above, Styrian Goldings as a late hop are the key, I grow them and they are my go-to hop for late hopping. Landlord has been around for decades, well before the citrusy US hops appeared in the UK.

Hop additions are given in this recipe, but you might want to up the Styrian Goldings or even consider a dry hop Timothy Taylor – Landlord Premium Kit - The Malt Miller

I guess our tastes are all different: was only saying yesterday how Abbot Ale is the only ale I really dislike. Yet I love Landlord.

As above, Styrian Goldings as a late hop are the key, I grow them and they are my go-to hop for late hopping. Landlord has been around for decades, well before the citrusy US hops appeared in the UK.

Hop additions are given in this recipe, but you might want to up the Styrian Goldings or even consider a dry hop Timothy Taylor – Landlord Premium Kit - The Malt Miller
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Yes. But I’ve used the usual hops but can’t get that specific aroma.

 

[Nottsbeer]

I was just thinking of making this clone again the other day. The recipe i used is here:

Post in thread 'Notts beers days' Notts beers days

Def recommend using the correct yeast and grain.

 

[hoppyscotty]

To my palette TT's has a zingy thing going on which I guess could be perceived as citrous or at least the zesty almost effervescent thing that citrous provides, but I think this comes from their yeast and not the hops. I've brewed TT clones several times and got pretty close...certainly close enough to 'fool' some people or at least cause them to make the comparison, but when you do a back to back the differences are obvious. I'm pretty sure I'm pretty close in terms of recipe, but obviously lack their house yeast which, I think makes all the difference.

I've not used the WYeast 1469 West Yorkshire Ale though, might give that a go if I ever brew it again.

 

[bez]

To my palette TT's has a zingy thing going on which I guess could be perceived as citrous or at least the zesty almost effervescent thing that citrous provides, but I think this comes from their yeast and not the hops. I've brewed TT clones several times and got pretty close...certainly close enough to 'fool' some people or at least cause them to make the comparison, but when you do a back to back the differences are obvious. I'm pretty sure I'm pretty close in terms of recipe, but obviously lack their house yeast which, I think makes all the difference.

I've not used the WYeast 1469 West Yorkshire Ale though, might give that a go if I ever brew it again.

IVe used that yeast. Probably their yeast makes the difference cheers

 

[hoppyscotty]

They also use open fermentation too. Not sure if that makes a difference to the flavour of the beer.

 

[Andrew Booth]

This is the retiring Head Brewer giving a virtual tour of Taylor’s he states the ingredients within the video Wyeast 1469 is the closest yeast.

The Brewery yeast has been used since the 1960s so would be impossible to buy a equivalent exactly the same the malt miller premium kit is the closest clone I’ve found in a side by side test. As a aside I had a pint of Landlord in a pub at the start of may it was awful I took away from that I can brew a better version than that.

 

[Jim Brewster]

As a aside I had a pint of Landlord in a pub at the start of may it was awful I took away from that I can brew a better version than that.

More likely to be shoddy cask management by the pub than the brewery to be responsible I'd say - i.e. keeping it too long after pulling the first pint. So annoying when that happens, also hurts the brewery's reputation.

 

[Andrew Booth]

I’m inclined to agree the pub in question in the Calder valley is normally quite good but anyway I had a few bottles left of the last clone beer I did had that when I got home side by side with a bottle of landlord from Tesco mine tasted better but then again it had been conditioning for 6 months

 

[hoppyscotty]

My local does a cracking pint of TT’s. My favourite cask beer right now. The previous landlord didn’t keep it quite as well, was still good though so there is some care that needs to be taken but the landlord.

 

[Andrew Booth]

Generally speaking I’ve found landlord gets better the closer to Keighley you are.

 

[.Peter.]

I guess our tastes are all different: was only saying yesterday how Abbot Ale is the only ale I really dislike. Yet I love Landlord.

As above, Styrian Goldings as a late hop are the key, I grow them and they are my go-to hop for late hopping. Landlord has been around for decades, well before the citrusy US hops appeared in the UK.

Hop additions are given in this recipe, but you might want to up the Styrian Goldings or even consider a dry hop Timothy Taylor – Landlord Premium Kit - The Malt Miller

90 min boil ? Thought a 30 min boil is the 'new' boil ?

 

[Andrew Booth]

Yes East Kent Goldings as the Bittering Hop and Styrian for aroma and hopstand it does I’ve done the malt miller premium kit before it’s very close when giving time to condition of course in the brewery it’s pretty much a 7 day process.

 

[Simon Taylor]

I’m inclined to agree the pub in question in the Calder valley is normally quite good but anyway I had a few bottles left of the last clone beer I did had that when I got home side by side with a bottle of landlord from Tesco mine tasted better but then again it had been conditioning for 6 months

IMO Reliable quality cask management( of TT and the rest) in Calder Valley… Barbary’s, Old Gate, Top Brink, Victorian CBC, København, Fox and Goose to name but a
few. *Eagles Crag Tap Room*

 

[patto1ro]

This is the retiring Head Brewer giving a virtual tour of Taylor’s he states the ingredients within the video Wyeast 1469 is the closest yeast.

The Brewery yeast has been used since the 1960s so would be impossible to buy a equivalent exactly the same the malt miller premium kit is the closest clone I’ve found in a side by side test. As a aside I had a pint of Landlord in a pub at the start of may it was awful I took away from that I can brew a better version than that.

It's easy enough to get hold of their yeast. You just need to buy a pint in a pub and decant it into a bottle. Add a little sugar and wait a few days. Then you should have a layer of yeast at the bottom to make a starter from. Used to be the only way to get decent yeast.

 

[Sadfield]

90 min boil ? Thought a 30 min boil is the 'new' boil ?

If you boil in °F instead °C you can reduce the time as its more than twice as hot. Traditional british brewers use °C.