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Tony

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Had this emailed to me this week...

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all
ten comes to £100.
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go
something like this ...

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay £1.
The sixth would pay £3.
The seventh would pay £7.
The eighth would pay £12.
The ninth would pay £18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.

So, that's what they decided to do.
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the
arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball.
"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce
the cost of your daily beer by £20". Drinks for the ten men would now
cost just £80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.
So the first four men were unaffected.
They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men?
The paying customers?
How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his
fair share?

They realised that £20 divided by six is £3.33. But if they
subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the
sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's
bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle
of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out
the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).
The sixth now paid £2 instead of £3 (33% saving).
The seventh now paid £5 instead of £7 (28% saving)..
The eighth now paid £9 instead of £12 (25% saving)..
The ninth now paid £14 instead of £18 (22% saving)..
The tenth now paid £49 instead of £59 (16% saving)..

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four
continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began
to compare their savings.
"I only got a pound out of the £20 saving," declared the sixth man.
He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got £10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a pound
too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"
"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back,
when I got only £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get
anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!"
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine
sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay
the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have
enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how
our tax system works.
The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the
most benefit from a tax reduction.
Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may
not show up anymore.
In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is
somewhat friendlier.


For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
 
And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).
The sixth now paid £2 instead of £3 (33% saving).
The seventh now paid £5 instead of £7 (28% saving)..
The eighth now paid £9 instead of £12 (25% saving)..
The ninth now paid £14 instead of £18 (22% saving)..
The tenth now paid £49 instead of £59 (16% saving)..


thats why they like to explain everything in percentages so that we dont get to see the real picture
and anyone who thinks 100% of nothing is good is clearly mad

it also makes me mad when unions fight for a percentage point when they know it is just 1p for thier members but a whole lot more for the union employee.
 
That's if the rich are paying any tax at all not funneling it through a offshore tax haven.

Porky

Snort!
 
Oh and the four that don't pay any tax presumably includes those that avoid it along with the unemployed, disabled and retired and those on the minimum wage working for the rich man????

The above argument is what my politics prof would have called "reductionist".

Income tax takes in to account the ability to pay. Indirect taxation (VAT, car tax, alcohol duty, charity status of the public schools etc....) is paid for by everyone at the same rate regardless of income and is therefore a tax on consumption that hits the poor in the same disproportionate way that income tax hits the rich but with much more serious consequences.

We can not grow as an economy without increased consumption and it is the huge numbers of the less well off that drive this not the rich. The problem with the recent banking crisis is that this consumption/growth was funded by borrowing which kept down the need to increase real wages to pay for the consumption to fund growth - personified by the bad loans to fund mortgages to those who were not earning enough to cover them. It was this "sub prime" lending crisis that started the banking collapse that tax payers have had to fund by giving up our services and pensions to pay for the failure of the system. This is why we are all in the mire now.

When people complain about paying taxes I always think of my old neigbour who always used to rant against paying for schools and libraries because he had never read a book or had any children. We are a society not individuals and we are stronger for being all in this together rather than opting out for selfish reasons and because we can (the rich). So if the rich want to move don't bribe them to stay with all our pensions, schools and hospitals, let them go! I am sure someone else will take their place who is willing to pay their fair share back, after all they can afford it.

Porkers

Snort!
 
Sean_Mc said:
Beer and politics, not a good mix :D

correct :!:

Porkbeast said:
Oh and the four that don't pay any tax presumably includes those that avoid it along with the unemployed, disabled and retired and those on the minimum wage working for the rich man????

Hmmmm I'm doing something wrong here :hmm: don't make too many assumptions :!: just because I'm retired doesn't mean I'm exempt from paying tax, I pay income tax on my pension and on the income from savings and investments :!:

Then theres all the other various taxes we pay, car vel,fuel tax, insurance taxes, vat, council tax and a whole lot more :!:
 
heh heh .. note I have made no comment whatsoever. ;)

I wouldn't take this very seriously if I were you! :grin:
 
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