The EU Poll.

[HisDudeness]

I found this article quite interesting as an example of a country that exists outside the EU seems a reasonably balanced appraisal of some of the pros and cons to me

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35615604

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Nice one HD.

 

[Dutto]

Comparing the UK of today with Switzerland is definitely comparing apples with oranges. It doesn't work.

Switzerland decided to become a "permanently neutral power" in 1907 when the Hague Convention laid out the rules under which countries could stay neutral in times of war.

After deciding not to participate in WW1 and WW2 the Swiss decided that their "neutrality" extended to not joining the EU; but at the same time Switzerland has maintained very close ties with the EU. (e.g. Most retail outlets in Switzerland accept Euros. Try spending a €20 note in your local Tesco and see how you get on!) :whistle:

 

[HisDudeness]

I agree it's not going to be a like for like comparison at all but that doesn't render it completely useless, the interest for me is that there are arguments within the Swiss example that can be used for either standpoint the article title implies a pro exit view but actually it goes on to quote Swiss businesses recommending we should stay in and detailing EU retaliation for the country not following EU policy that in theory they should be exempt from.

 

[wheazy_joe]

And maybe it wont, this is exactly the scaremongering from those that want us to stay in i and others have discussed in the tread, i am sure over time these things will be explained and until then can we only post facts in this thread as speculation is just that.


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That reminds me of the Scottish referendum, if you believed everything you read then Scotland would have instantly become a third world country with no banking system, supermarkets, roads or links to the rest of the world had we voted yes.

In reality, quite like the EU vote, I'm not convinced we'll see huge changes whichever way we vote.

Like many, my gut is that we stay in the EU, but I really don't know enough about it just yet to make a final decision.

The one thing I do know from the experience of the Scottish vote, is that the media and politicians all have their own agenda and will try to foist that onto the electorate. If you want to find out genuinely impartial information, you won't get it from the BBC or other mainstream media outlets; you'll have to do the ground work and research yourself.

 

[pms67]

Will we still be able to get Cooper's European Lager :)
Or will it just have to be Carling

 

[monkier]

In reality, quite like the EU vote, I'm not convinced we'll see huge changes whichever way we vote.

I'm also convinced this is what will happen.

I'm torn on EU membership. I like the idea of a federal europe, but it needs to be an accountable federal europe. The current shower in Brussels is not something i want to be a part of.

Another thing putting me off staying in Europe is that Cameron is lobbying for it.

However when the referendum happens i'm likely to vote to remain in. I understand the concerns of the 'out' camp however my gut tells me to stay.

I need to do much more research before i cast my vote.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I need to do much more research before i cast my vote.

I totally agree, if i had to vote tomorrow i would not know which way to vote as i do not know enough yet to make a decision, with luck this will change over the coming weeks.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

BBC One will stage three major debate programmes in the run-up to the EU referendum. All three of the programmes will feature key campaigners from both sides of the debate, and live audiences from a cross-section of the electorate.

The first programme will be aimed at young voters, who are traditionally alienated by conventional political coverage. Victoria Derbyshire will present the programme live from Glasgow, Scotland on Thursday 19 May.

Just over a week before polling, on Wednesday 15 June, David Dimbleby will moderate a special edition of BBC One’s Question Time programme, featuring one senior advocate from each side.

And, as the campaign reaches its climax, David will be joined by Mishal Husain and Emily Maitlis, live at Wembley Arena for the BBC’s biggest ever campaign event. We will be inviting thousands of voters to question representatives from the ‘leave’ and ‘remain’ camps on Tuesday 21 June.

Additionally, all of the BBC’s regular political interview and debate programmes will continue throughout the campaign. They will travel to all corners of the UK.

 

[MyQul]

Well it's only been a couple of days since cameron officially stated the day of the referendum will be June 23rd and the Conservative are already kicking lumps out of each other.

I'm torn now which way to go now. I did say I think we should go, 'just to see what happens' but now, if we decide to stay there's a possibility be may get to witness the Conservative party implode/explode - decisions, decisions! (you can probably tell my reasons for deciding to vote for either staying or going aren't the most sensible :lol:)

 

[MyQul]

Weird!!

As the debate has heated up this Thread has gone cold!

it's because people are bored of the whole thing already :lol:

 

[Chippy_Tea]

My original request -

If we can stick to giving our views without trying to tell members theirs is wrong it will save the thread turning into an argument and being locked.

I guess this thread was always going to end this way.

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[MyQul]

Anyway, Brewdog has released all their reciepe's online! Who cases about Brexit! :lol:

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Anyway, Brewdog has released all their reciepe's online! Who cases about Brexit! :lol:

when did they do that? :wink: :lol: