The Coronavirus thread.

[Chippy_Tea]

Mind you, boredom and stir-craze also play their part, many elderly will be living on their own and so shopping's the only opportunity to see other people. SWMBO was even wanting to go to the farm shop today, not because we need anything (although more flour would be nice), just as an excuse to get out!

I think you have hit the nail on the head there NB, you read about lonely people all the time especially around Christmas but being lonely and not being allowed to leave the house for months must be depressing, since the lock-down its noticeable how many people are now standing in their front gardens chatting to anyone who passes and i am happy to say good morning/afternoon as i pass when going about my duties.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I'm heading in the right direction, on the mend, just totally exhausted still.

Strangely enough we've got a tesco delivery slot for tomorrow, picked it today. At the time there was about 8 or 9 slots available. I can only imagine that people have been reserving delivery slots and then cancelling closer to the date when they realise they can't eat 8000 calories a day. Either that or they've more drivers/vans, I dunno. I suspect the former.
What with myself been ill, the other half is isolating as well, so delivery a necessity for us.

My missus hasn't shown any symptoms at all, I'd be scared if I was the virus as well :)

Its strange how some people get floored by it and others seem to get through relatively unscathed, look at Charlie boy 7 days and he looks as good bad as he normally does.

 

[Rodcx500z]

My missis got a letter today she has to lock down for 12 weeks she is on the at risk list, thats me grounded then, better get some grain or kits ordered

 

[MyQul]

I'm heading in the right direction, on the mend, just totally exhausted still.

Strangely enough we've got a tesco delivery slot for tomorrow, picked it today. At the time there was about 8 or 9 slots available. I can only imagine that people have been reserving delivery slots and then cancelling closer to the date when they realise they can't eat 8000 calories a day. Either that or they've more drivers/vans, I dunno. I suspect the former.
What with myself been ill, the other half is isolating as well, so delivery a necessity for us.

My missus hasn't shown any symptoms at all, I'd be scared if I was the virus as well :)

I note a number of supermarkets have eased off there restrictions on the number of items of any one sort you can buy. So I think people are realising are telling the truth when then they say they have plenty of stock available.

 

[MyQul]

Its strange how some people get floored by it and others seem to get through relatively unscathed, look at Charlie boy 7 days and he looks as good bad as he normally does.

True. Bozza is saying he's coming out of isolation on friday (despite the WHO guidines saying you need to isolate for 14 day if you've had it

 

[simon12]

Just to confirm the new deaths in the UK is officially 393 and 40 of those deaths happened before the 20th March and numbers since are estimated to have been 20% under reported due to the time deaths outside of hospital take to be reported/confirmed. The chart showing 381 as the number has been calculated from yesterdays total which for some reason was incorrect. The number has been confirmed to include all deaths where the person has been confirmed or suspected to have a covid 19 infection linked to the death even if it was not the cause.

 

[An Ankoù]

Its strange how some people get floored by it and others seem to get through relatively unscathed, look at Charlie boy 7 days and he looks as good bad as he normally does.

Don't you believe it. That's the wax work model they've prepared for Madame Toussaud's.

 

[Richie_asg1]

True. Bozza is saying he's coming out of isolation on friday (despite the WHO guidines saying you need to isolate for 14 day if you've had it

This makes no sense to me. If they are giving guidelines to the public then why on earth are they not acting on them themselves? It just shows shoddy leadership. Well if Bojo comes back in a week maybe it is ok for an employer to ask the same of all their employees?

I also think the figures saying ooooh - shopping for alcohol is up and most groceries too is a bit of a non statement, because in the next two months it will be virtually non-existent as everyone has stocked up.

I only need to go into a shop for milk, eggs and bread. Everything else I can make last. I e-mailed the Scout Association to see if they could set up local home delivery of just these 3 items to anybody in the at risk groups at a local level. Effectively one low risk person shopping for just 3 items in 1 shop visit to distribute to 10 high risk people, and thus reducing the risk to those 10 people. 10 per day, x 7 days = 7 shop visits compared to 70 visits by high risk people.

They weren't interested.

Also not interested in organising local collection hubs of just these 3 items in the open air.

 

[MyQul]

This makes no sense to me. If they are giving guidelines to the public then why on earth are they not acting on them themselves? It just shows shoddy leadership. Well if Bojo comes back in a week maybe it is ok for an employer to ask the same of all their employees?

I also think the figures saying ooooh - shopping for alcohol is up and most groceries too is a bit of a non statement, because in the next two months it will be virtually non-existent as everyone has stocked up.

I only need to go into a shop for milk, eggs and bread. Everything else I can make last. I e-mailed the Scout Association to see if they could set up local home delivery of just these 3 items to anybody in the at risk groups at a local level. Effectively one low risk person shopping for just 3 items in 1 shop visit to distribute to 10 high risk people, and thus reducing the risk to those 10 people. 10 per day, x 7 days = 7 shop visits compared to 70 visits by high risk people.

They weren't interested.

Also not interested in organising local collection hubs of just these 3 items in the open air.

Rules are just for the plebs

 

[marshbrewer]

Just to reassure anyone who has heard the 'alcohol sales to be banned' story - it's a load of bollocks thankfully.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Just to reassure anyone who has heard the 'alcohol sales to be banned' story - it's a load of bollocks thankfully.

It would have been a bit ironic if that bunch of piss cans were to tell us that Brits are no longer able to buy alcohol as a health risk.

 

[Covrich]

I think that we do not need to get to a point where we all get it.

At the start, you have a set of people who are Unaffected which is the whole population. Over time the set of Unaffected goes down and a new set of Infected goes up. This rumbles on for a while until you get the status of Infected people moving to a new set of either Recovered or Dead people. By isolating and keeping the set of Unaffected people as high as possible the Infected will eventually get to zero at which point there is then no one left to spread the infection.

Effectively this is how the Hubei province in China dealt with it and why it didn't really go much further than there. Of course, people then flying into China with the Virus then caused new outbreaks but the original was contained. I believe Wuhan is officially coming out of restriction on 8 April.

I really hope you are correct

 

[The Baron]

Don't you believe it. That's the wax work model they've prepared for Madame Toussaud's.

No he's got body double just like Churchill in the war

 

[Chippy_Tea]

First new ventilators to roll off production line this weekend as industry answers call to step up manufacturing.

The first devices from the Government’s ventilator challenge will roll off the production line this weekend, ahead of delivery to the NHS next week, Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster Michael Gove has announced today.

The news comes as some of the biggest names in British manufacturing race to step up ventilator supplies to help protect the NHS and save lives throughout the coronavirus pandemic, as part of the Prime Minister’s call to manufacturers.

This weekend, the first batch of the Penlon ventilator device, which has been rapidly adapted from other existing ventilator designs, will be ready for dispatch, following approval from the MHRA that it meets the necessary safety requirements.

The device is being manufactured by a consortium* including Formula 1 teams McLaren and Mercedes, Ford, Siemens and Meggitt. An initial delivery will be ready this weekend, with potentially hundreds more of that device to follow, alongside thousands more of other new devices in the coming weeks.

Other existing ventilator devices are also being scaled up, in collaboration with British and international industry, including products from Diamedica, Breas Medical and Smiths Group.

A number of other British manufacturers have also started urgent production of new ventilators, designed from scratch, following efforts from the industry and Government to rapidly increase numbers available to the NHS.

Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster Michael Gove said:

Throughout our history British manufacturing has always stepped up in times of national need.
Ventilators are one of the most complex medical devices and the speed and scale that design and production is ramping up is awe inspiring.
We will do whatever it takes to ensure the NHS and social care sector has the support and equipment it needs to save lives.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock said:

We are doing everything we can to support our NHS staff fighting this battle on the frontline, and it’s crucial we get even more ventilators there as soon as possible.
We have seen a fantastic response from businesses to our call for a national effort - and I’m delighted these companies accepted the challenge to save lives across the country.

The Government has provided a number of letters of intent to purchase potentially thousands more ventilators with companies who have credible designs, subject to them passing the regulator and strict safety tests.

There are a number of companies involved in these devices including Plexus, Rolls Royce, GKN Aerospace, Team Consulting, Cogent, Dyson, TTP plc, Sagentia, Smith & Nephew, Cambridge Consultants, PA Consulting, Babcock, Oxford University, OES Medical, BMW, Pitlane Consortium and Kings College London.

Separately, a team led by UCL, working with Mercedes Benz, will also produce 10,000 new CPAP (Continuous Positive Airway Pressure) devices to support affected patients, with a team from Oxford University also developing related technology, which will increase the capacity to provide oxygen to affected patients at an earlier stage in the process of the disease.

Thanks to the work of consortiums that are scaling up production of smaller manufacturers as well as the ingenuity of the biggest names in manufacturing to support the UK’s response to this public health emergency, many are coming up with new designs for this high tech medical devices in a matter of weeks, rather than months, further underlining the scale of this coordinated effort.

The Penlon device is based on elements found in their current range of CE marked products and meets the rapidly manufactured ventilator system specification. It is a fully intubated mechanical ventilator designed to provide support to critically ill patients with a range of functions including volume and pressure controlled ventilation.

Further details are set out in the PM’s call with manufacturers and suppliers, including other manufacturers involved: PM call with ventilator manufacturers and suppliers: 26 March 2020

*The Ventilator ChallengeUK includes the following companies and groups:

• Airbus
• BAE Systems
• Ford Motor Company
• GKN Aerospace
• High Value Manufacturing Catapult
• Inspiration Healthcare Group
• Meggitt
• Penlon
• Renishaw
• Rolls-Royce
• Siemens Healthineers and Siemens UK
• Smiths Group
• Thales
• Ultra Electronics
• Unilever
• UK-based F1 teams: Haas F1,
• McLaren, Mercedes, Red Bull Racing,
• Racing Point, Renault Sport Racing,
• Williams
• Accenture
• Arrow Electronics
• Dell Technologies
• Microsoft
• PTC

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...ndustry-answers-call-to-step-up-manufacturing

 

[Bevvied]

My missus asked me what the fatigue/tiredness feels like.

I told her it's just like when you've been drinking loads and don't think you're drunk. Then suddenly it seems to hit you in one massive wave. You know, that sudden massive light headedness and body wobble and instant need to sleep.

Her response?

'I thought you'd have dealt better with it then'

LOL

 

[Chippy_Tea]

My missus asked me what the fatigue/tiredness feels like.

I told her it's just like when you've been drinking loads and don't think you're drunk. Then suddenly it seems to hit you in one massive wave. You know, that sudden massive light headedness and body wobble and instant need to sleep.

Her response?

'I thought you'd have dealt better with it then'

LOL

 

[Dutto]

........

It seems our government initially were going the herd immunity route. I think they then realized how politically devastating the optics would be to purposely let vast swathes of the population die. So they then had a u-turn and told everyone to stay indoors and social distance

I read somewhere that going for "herd immunity" had all the hallmarks of a Dominic Cummins idea! (You know, the bloke who's the PM's unelected "advisor" who sits behind the scenes, carries no responsibility to the electorate, cannot be sacked or otherwise chastised by the UK General Public and appears to be a total winker; that one!)

I don't wish to be vindictive, but he went home a couple of days ago showing "minor symptoms" of having the virus, so I hope he has a miserable experience with his own Covid-19 infection!

At least he should know by now that he is personally contributing to the "herd immunity" ...

... and hopefully realise that he is nothing special, just one of the herd!

 

[Chippy_Tea]

The government made a big thing about most deaths being amongst the old and infirm i wish they had said it can effect us all equally.




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[Northern_Brewer]

I note a number of supermarkets have eased off there restrictions on the number of items of any one sort you can buy. So I think people are realising are telling the truth when then they say they have plenty of stock available.

This article describes the relaxation by some but not all - Tesco, Sainsbury and the Coop are perhaps concentrating more on expanding deliveries. Tesco have added 120k/week delivery slots in the last fortnight - 200 new vans, 7,500 new staff etc, and are looking to add another 100k, so I suspect people hadn't realised there are more slots available.

True. Bozza is saying he's coming out of isolation on friday (despite the WHO guidines saying you need to isolate for 14 day if you've had it

Actually WHO guidelines say "Stay at home if you begin to feel unwell, even with mild symptoms such as headache and slight runny nose, until you recover. " No time is set - which makes sense, people with mild symptoms seem to lose infectivity fairly quickly, see eg this, so it makes sense to be flexible. Johnson would be following the UK guidelines which are to stay at home for 7 days (but others in the household stay at home for 14 days, and 7 days from the time they show symptoms even if that takes you beyond the original 14 days.

 

[MyQul]

I read somewhere that going for "herd immunity" had all the hallmarks of a Dominic Cummins idea! (You know, the bloke who's the PM's unelected "advisor" who sits behind the scenes, carries no responsibility to the electorate, cannot be sacked or otherwise chastised by the UK General Public and appears to be a total winker; that one!)

I don't wish to be vindictive, but he went home a couple of days ago showing "minor symptoms" of having the virus, so I hope he has a miserable experience with his own Covid-19 infection!

At least he should know by now that he is personally contributing to the "herd immunity" ...

... and hopefully realise that he is nothing special, just one of the herd!

Im hoping the irony hasnt escaped him