Stabbing attack at London bridge.

[marshbrewer]

Life should mean life for anybody

When the death sentence was abolished in the UK, those who campaigned for it to be abandoned d did so on the premise that life would mean life. Almost as soon as it was gone, many of the same people started to chip away at this, until we are in the situation we are now. Don't get me wrong; I'm not a fan of capitol punishment, but I do think that whole life or indeterminate sentences should be available to Judges.

 

[kelper]

whole life or indeterminate sentences should be available to Judges.

They are.

 

[marshbrewer]

I thought indeterminate sentences & whole life sentences with no possibility of parole had been found incompatible with human rights laws by the ECJ?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

We don't have enough room in our prisons or staff so unless we build a lot more and staff them this will never happen, I for one think it should.

 

[Rodcx500z]

The ECJ will be my next brew ELECTRIC CITRA JUICE, sorry I cant help it , and yes I own the copyright to that name

 

[dad_of_jon]

I do wish the police would not keep on shooting these people dead.
Once dead there is little way to interogate them and and fewer options to find out who amongst there friends is also in on it.
Its the main reason in wars an army will take live prisoners.

But the most important thing is a thought for the loss of inocent lives and the familys affected.

could a taser have set off a real IED?

 

[MyQul]

I thought indeterminate sentences & whole life sentences with no possibility of parole had been found incompatible with human rights laws by the ECJ?

From what I heard on the radio this morning this is true. He was given an inderminate sentence but this was quashed under ECJ laws and was then given a 16 year sentence and released after 8

 

[steveinUS]

So there's this guy here in the U.S. who is being held "indefinitely". He was initially arrested in 2002 for over-staying his visa (the dumb-ass) but was eventually charged and convicted of sending money to overseas terrorist organizations. He has now served the lame sentence he received, but he is not a U.S. citizen, and no other country will take him in. So the administration doesn't want to just release him into the U.S. (Thank you, Attorney General Barr.) I don't know whether your Mr. Corbyn has been asked to take him in, but he sounds like another perfect candidate for rehabilitation in London.

This Reason magazine article's annoying author bemoans this "bureaucratic cruelty" and the fact that the government hasn't identified any "identifiable victims" to his actions, as rationales for letting the guy go free here in the U.S. Boo hoo. He should rot in hell, but rotting in prison is the next best thing.

 

[MyQul]

So there's this guy here in the U.S. who is being held "indefinitely". He was initially arrested in 2002 for over-staying his visa (the dumb-ass) but was eventually charged and convicted of sending money to overseas terrorist organizations. He has now served the lame sentence he received, but he is not a U.S. citizen, and no other country will take him in. So the administration doesn't want to just release him into the U.S. (Thank you, Attorney General Barr.) I don't know whether your Mr. Corbyn has been asked to take him in, but he sounds like another perfect candidate for rehabilitation in London.

This Reason magazine article's annoying author bemoans this "bureaucratic cruelty" and the fact that the government hasn't identified any "identifiable victims" to his actions, as rationales for letting the guy go free here in the U.S. Boo hoo. He should rot in hell, but rotting in prison is the next best thing.

Why would we want to 'rehabilitate' him in London? He's not a UK citizen. Corbyn has no power to even offer to 'rehabilitate' him here either. He's not in Government

 

[steveinUS]

Why would we want to 'rehabilitate' him in London? He's not a UK citizen

If my sarcasm about Mr. Corbyn was not obvious, I apologize.

 

[Rodcx500z]

Why would we want to 'rehabilitate' him in London? He's not a UK citizen. Corbyn has no power to even offer to 'rehabilitate' him here either. He's not in Government

Because he would if he was in power, remove this free speech if you like

 

[MyQul]

Because he would if he was in power, remove this free speech if you like

I've pmed you why I've removed your prevoius post. We only remove posts if forum rules are broken

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Because he would if he was in power, remove this free speech if you like

I don't believe he would.

 

[samale]

Stick to brewing beer lads it's better craic.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Stick to brewing beer lads it's better craic.

Its the snug where any topic can be discussed if within the forum rules.

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[An Ankoù]

From what I heard on the radio this morning this is true. He was given an inderminate sentence but this was quashed under ECJ laws and was then given a 16 year sentence and released after 8

I thought the Home Secretary had the final say on this, Weren't the Moors Murderers locked away for life with no chance of release? I can see that the ECJ might be concerned that indeterminate sentencing might be abused, but that being the case, why wasn't he given a longer sentence than 16 years to start with, I wonder, and, more importantly, was he allowed out after serving only half of his sentence.
I see a danger of the ECJ being made a scapegoat here, when the problem is very much on our own doorstep.

 

[kelper]

His indeterminate sentence was changed to a determinate sentence by the Court of Appeal. Nothing to do with the ECJ.

 

[Linalmeemow]

Indeterminate sentencing WAS being misused, if I remember right - I'm sure I watched a docco in which prisoners in for fairly standard (though usually violent) crimes were being imprisoned under Indeterminate Sentences for Public Protection, where IPPs were meant for only the most dangerous criminals.

 

[MyQul]

I thought the Home Secretary had the final say on this, Weren't the Moors Murderers locked away for life with no chance of release? I can see that the ECJ might be concerned that indeterminate sentencing might be abused, but that being the case, why wasn't he given a longer sentence than 16 years to start with, I wonder, and, more importantly, was he allowed out after serving only half of his sentence.
I see a danger of the ECJ being made a scapegoat here, when the problem is very much on our own doorstep.

It's just what I (mis)remembered from hearing on the radio that morning. Im definately not an expert on this. Kelper seems to know a lot more about this kind of thing than I do

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Life should mean life for anybody infact all sentences should be served to the full, terrorists will always as a general rule be a risk once released as they will be targeted by the leaders of these groups as they have once and will be again be susceptible to indoctrination and easy targets for them

The problem with that and early release, is that it is intended to make them behaves themselves in prison to gain that early release. If things change so they serve their full sentence out, then there would need to then be a scheme hanging over their heads for adding extra time to their original jail term.

I agree, some people should never be released.