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My mother-in-law was a carer she never moaned about the poor wage as she enjoyed the job but it has now got to the point where shop workers are getting more per hour than carers and it's not because councils don't have the money to pay i believe in our local homes if you have more than £23,250 you pay £1,700 per month.
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BBC News - There are fears residential homes could close and patients put at risk without more care workers, according to those working in the sector.

And pay is a reason some believe there's a lack of care workers, while the Welsh government pledged to provide money for staff to get the real living wage of £9.90 an hour in April.
It has since jumped 10%, but it is not yet clear if it could find more cash.
One home boss has recruited overseas, saying locals can earn more in shops.
Dr Bikram Choudhary, who runs fives homes across south wales, told BBC Politics Wales he had never had such trouble with recruiting staff.
"We struggle to pay the real living wage whereas they can probably go and work in Tesco or Amazon and get more than what we can offer, plus have night time enhancements," he said.
Dr Choudhary said he was concerned rocketing energy prices and the cost-of-living crisis was also having a big impact on tight budgets which could affect homes in the future.
"Just like everyone at home we're having a cost-of-living crisis which is impacting on our care homes," he said.
"Unfortunately, this has resulted in the closure of care homes; one around the corner here in Pontypridd has just closed and it's concerning.
"If you can't get staff you can't run a care home. If you can't meet your costs you can't run a care home."
With the real living wage rising to £10.90, Health Minister Eluned Morgan told Politics Wales on 23 October that the Welsh government was in discussions "about whether, despite all these incredible pressures on us, we can find the money from somewhere else".
Meanwhile, Aldi has agreed to pay £11 an hour to supermarket staff from January which compares with £9.50 an hour - the UK's legal minimum wage - for those aged over 23.

Carer Jake Beach, 25, said he loved his job at a care home in Pontypridd, Rhondda Cynon Taf, but not the pay, earning £10 an hour.
"I wake up every morning and feel like I have a purpose in life, coming in and making a difference to people's lives," he said.
"But pay does concern me. It's a hard job and the pay isn't good enough for what we do.
"I manage every month but just barely. I'm not living to the full really, I'm just paying my bills but I don't get left with much after that."
He added: "I could work in a supermarket stacking a shelf for more money but it wouldn't give me the same sense of purpose.
"We need more people working as carers and they need better incentives."

Figure for 2021 showed there were roughly 5,500 social care vacancies.
Gillian Baranski, chief inspector of Care Inspectorate Wales, which regulates social care in Wales, said a lack of carers was a big worry.
"It can mean people are simply not getting the care they need, or they're having to stay in hospital for longer or it's putting a terrible burden on unpaid carers," she said.
"The workforce in social care is at crisis point and if we can't attract more people into the sector then there is a real danger that local authorities and providers won't be able to undertake their statutory duties which would be tragic.
"This is work that is pivotal to society.
"When you're looking at what retail and supermarkets and hospitality provides, if we truly as a society value social care, then we have to pay fair salaries for fair work."
The chief inspector did stress that levels of poor care were rare and acted upon them when identified.

In Dr Choudhary's homes, the care of many residents rely on fees paid by local authorities which have warned of a "potentially catastrophic" impact of rising inflation on budgets.
"Any mention of cuts is a real concern," said Dr Choudhary.
The Welsh Local Government Association, which represents councils, said it continued to call for funding as authorities faced an £802m funding gap over the next two years which would inevitably have an impact on services.
Darren Hughes, of the Welsh NHS Confederation which represents NHS organisations, said the challenges on social care were "having a knock-on effect on the NHS's ability to provide care and treatment for people".
"We're unable to discharge people fit to be discharged into residential care or home because that care support isn't there for them," he said.
The Welsh government said it had "invested significantly to support the recruitment and retention of staff to social care".
"We have also provided an additional £43m this year to help ensure fair wages for social care workers and will continue to work with the sector to improve terms and conditions," it said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-63437563
 
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I guess that bepends on how badly you council is running the show.

If you have people paying £1700 a month I am sure they can afford to put the hourly rate up by a few pounds, funny how the same councils pay for agency staff which costs loads more when existing staff leave because of pay and conditions, carers are leaving the industry in droves they are going to have to do something or homes will close then the NHS will be under more pressure.
 
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It's like the song it's coming home well it is, all the cut backs over the last few decades are coming home to roost, the brown envelope brigade are to blame for a lot of this, we all know were there is money there is a fiddle well it looks like they fiddled to much
 
If you have say, 2000 new homes being built in your area (which I do), and the council collect all that extra tax, where the fook does it all go? If you know please let me know cos I cant fathom it out.
 
Does the pay structure apply to council run homes and private ones?
I am not up on them
 
I guess that bepends on how badly you council is running the show.

If you have people paying £1700 a month I am sure they can afford to put the hourly rate up by a few pounds, funny how the same councils pay for agency staff which costs loads more when existing staff leave because of pay and conditions, carers are leaving the industry in droves they are going to have to do something or homes will close then the NHS will be under more pressure.
The Scottish government have confirmed a “flat cash” settlement for the next 3 years in terms of the general revenue grant that they give councils.

Meanwhile COSLA have just announced a Union-agreed pay award that works out at 5% for the “middle earners (more for those on <£25k, less for those on high salaries) plus they’ve agreed to pay the annual care commission subs for those that need to be registered. Pressure is on to minimise increases to Council tax due to the cost of living crisis as well.

That’s before considering other things like energy costs skyrocketing for both the councils and the general public, the cost of living crisis means that applications for Council Tax reductions are skyrocketing, as are applications for things like the Scottish Welfare Fund.

It’s absolutely nothing to do with how councils are managing their finances and everything to do with the government grants decreasing in real terms every year and have been for over a decade.
 
If you have say, 2000 new homes being built in your area (which I do), and the council collect all that extra tax, where the fook does it all go? If you know please let me know cos I cant fathom it out.
Exactly, i would guess 1000 new homes have been built here in the last 3 years and there are plans for another 266 going through at the moment this is a fairly small market town it makes me wonder who they are selling to and like you where the tax goes.
 
Does the pay structure apply to council run homes and private ones?
The one where my MIL worked was council run, i imagine private ones are even more expensive.

How much are care home fees in the UK?

The average weekly cost of living in a residential care home is £704, while the average nursing home cost is £888 per week across the UK. The monthly average cost of residential care is £2816 and receiving nursing care in a care home costs on average £3552.

In a care home, nursing care is more expensive than residential care. Care homes that provide specialist care, such as dementia care, will normally charge a higher fee.

The average cost of care homes in the UK (including both residential and nursing care) is also higher or lower depending on where you live. In England, for example, care homes in London are more expensive than care homes in the North West or South West. Find out how much care homes costs are near you.

Who pays for care home costs?​

How much of the fees you will have to pay as a resident depends on your finances and assets, such as property. If you have to pay all the costs yourself, you are referred to as a self-funder.

If your local authority is helping you with some or all of the costs of your social care, your care is state-funded.


How much savings can you have before you have to pay for care?​

The savings and assets thresholds in the UK for 2022/23 are listed below. This is essentially how much money you can have before you have to pay for care home fees.

  • England: £23,250
  • Scotland: £28,750
  • Wales: £50,000
  • Northern Ireland: £23,250
People with capital below these amounts can get financial support from their local authority, which will pay some or all of the costs. If your savings or income falls below the threshold or you start to run out of money, the local authority should begin paying for your care costs.

In some circumstances, the means test will not take your house into account, such as if your partner or a relative over the age of 60 lives there.

If you are eligible for funding from the local authority, they will set a personal budget for you. The personal budget includes the total cost of meeting your needs, how much you need to contribute and the outstanding amount the local authority has to pay.

Some types of income and capital, such as certain benefits, are not included in the means test.

Some people are eligible for NHS continuing healthcare funding, which is anyone deemed as having ongoing and substantial care needs, such as someone recovering from a stroke.

In this case, the NHS will meet all costs regardless of the savings threshold for care home fees.

Some people take action such as equity release so that they appear to have less money in assets than they do in reality, this means that the amount they have to pay for care will be reduced. Whilst the deprivation of assets is not an uncommon practice, it is not recommended. Before being means tested, most local authorities will look to see if such action has taken place.

https://www.carehome.co.uk/advice/care-home-fees-and-costs-how-much-do-you-pay
 
If you have say, 2000 new homes being built in your area (which I do), and the council collect all that extra tax, where the fook does it all go? If you know please let me know cos I cant fathom it out.

It goes towards the extra bin collections, the extra roads maintenance, the extra pressure on the schools etc that bringing that many new families into an area creates.
 
Having Town Councils and County Councils doesn't help. All strikes me as more admin
 
The problem is its a vocational job that a lot of people do because they like it even though it is a SH!T job at times and money is secondary for those type of people
 
It goes towards the extra bun collections, the extra roads maintenance, the extra pressure on the schools etc that bringing that many new families into an area creates.
Total cobblers, since house builders more often than not, have to resurface nearby roads, build a school and clinic as part of the deal - local residents dont pay for it directly. Its got so bad here that the builders have got to put in a graveyard. - Seriously!!!
 
Having Town Councils and County Councils doesn't help. All strikes me as more admin
We have both and the County Council was so big they have split it in half, i have a feeling it will not benefit many.



OUR COUNTY is set to see a landmark change in 2023, when Cumbria ceases to exist as a local authority area and is split into two.
Local government reorganisation will see Cumbria’s seven existing councils abolished by 2023 and replaced by two new unitary councils.
Cumberland Council will take over as the authority in Carlisle, Allerdale and Copeland.
Westmorland and Furness Council will take over as the ruling authority in Eden, South Lakeland and Barrow-in-Furness.
Unitary councils carry the powers of both a borough and county council and are the Conservative Government’s preferred model.
Planning powers are currently the responsibility of the borough and district councils, but Cumbria’s highways are the responsibility of the county council.
Creating a unitary council brings all responsibilities and decision-making powers under one roof.
https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/...-reform-everything-need-know-changes-cumbria/
 
Total cobblers, since house builders more often than not, have to resurface nearby roads, build a school and clinic as part of the deal - local residents dont pay for it directly. Its got so bad here that the builders have got to put in a graveyard. - Seriously!!!
I work in Council finance, it’s not total cobblers at all.

I also live in a new build estate and the major house builders will do anything to avoid doing work for the people who have bought their houses, never mind work on the surrounding infrastructure that’s actually the council’s responsibility. I’ve been in 4 years and it’s only in the last 3 months that they’ve started actually surfacing the roads in the estate properly!
 
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To go back to the thread topic, if the carers and nurses don't get a fair wage for the responsibility the job carries they will carry on leaving these jobs then homes will close and as I said earlier that is going to have a big impact on the NHS.
I doubt many here will think it's right that a shelf stacker should earn more than a care home worker due to the responsibility the latter job carries (giving medication etc) so what is the solution?
 
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To go back to the thread topic, if the carers and nurses don't get a fair wage for the responsibility the job carries they will carry on leaving these jobs then homes will close and as I said earlier that is going to have a big impact on the NHS.
I doubt many here will think it's right that a shelf stacker should earn more than a care home worker due to the responsibility the latter job carries (giving medication etc) so what is the solution?
The Public sector are experts at wasting money, whereas private enterprise is far more canny. Its doest take a genius to work out why
 
The Public sector are experts at wasting money, whereas private enterprise is far more canny. Its doest take a genius to work out why

And your evidence to support that claim is what?

I have worked both within and also for Councils and within and for private providers of social care and let me assure that some privately run social care organisations are very amateurish, and some Council services are very well led and focussed on the needs of the people they support

This debate on private vs public sector and which is best is what I call a diversionary argument, encouraged by those in power, to evade the real problem i.e. lack of investment in public services. Without the right infrastructure, any management team, private or public, will struggle to deliver decent services

As a director of a more than one social care organisation I can tell you that staff wages are constrained by what councils can afford to pay, which in itself is a factor of their income from national government which has fallen each year in real terms (ignoring inflation) for more than 10 years. I know lots of very dedicated social care staff and yes they can earn more in a supermarket - I have tremendous respect for them

The real love and dedication that they show to the people they care for is inspirational

If we feel it wrong that these caring, committed and skilled carers (NHS & Social Carers) are undervalued and underpaid we need to do something about it at the next general election
 
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