Scottish Whisky ---- Irish Whiskey ??

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BarnsleyBrewer

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Since Rick (DirtyCaner) introduced me / forced me to try the exquisite taste and experience of a breakfast whisky it's got me wanting to try more.. :whistle:
Q1.. Is Irish and Scottish the same stuff just different countries of production?

Go gentle on me, I know I'm a thicko' from Barnsley but I don't know a thing about the finer spirits available just cheap voddy.... :drunk:

BB
 
as a layman I know the Scots call theirs Whisky........and the Irish call theirs Whiskey.
I'.m used to drinking stuff around £20 a bottle or less, unfortunately I'm not in the same league as a lot of the forum die-hards.
 
As far as I'm aware they're made from roughly the same stuff but they taste totally different, same with American whiskeys (e.g. Jim Bean or Jack Daniels). Personally I prefer a good single malt Scottish whisky (e.g. Jura), my dad prefers a blended Scotch (e.g. famous grouse), and I have friends who prefer Irish (e.g. Jamerson's) or American stuff. It's personal taste, try different stuff and see what suits you.
 
same ingredients.. almost..... same process.. almost ....

http://www.barkeeper.co.uk/page.asp?menu=0&page=560

Whiskey as we spell it in Ireland or whisky in Scotland is the most popular of all the grain spirits, first thought to be distilled by monks in Ireland as early as the 12th century. But it was in 1608 when Bushmills distillery first received its grant. Even up until Victorian times Irish whiskey was more popular than Scotch.

The difference between Irish whiskey and Scotch whiskies

· The big difference between Scotch and Irish whiskey is the distilling phase which is made twice with Scotch and three times with Irish, giving Irish whiskey a particular lightness

· Scotch whisky first allows the barley to sprout and then it is dried. Irish whiskey uses raw and malted barley while Scotch is entirely malted barley. (This is partly because there was an extra tax on malt in Ireland)

· Scotch barley is dried with peat smoke which gives the usual scotch aroma to whisky.

· Scotch is cask aged for at least 2 years, Irish at least 3 years.

· Irish whiskey is distilled three times in larger than normal copper "pot" stills. The pot stills and the extra distillation produce a uniquely delicate drink. Developing later, Scotch uses continuous process stills.

· The rural poor, in Ireland, made whiskey first. The logic is whiskey developed in a bread eating culture. You grow grain, mill it for bread and save some to sow next year's crop. In good seasons when you have extra, you make whiskey.

· The Irish invented it, but Scotland is the spiritual home of whiskey

Scotch whisky

Scotch whisky can only be called Scotch whisky if it is distilled and matured in Scotland.

There are two kinds of whisky; malt whisky, used essentially in the creation of blended whiskies, or bottled in small proportions as a Single Malt; and grain whisky, which is combined with malt whisky to create the famous blends.

Whisky terms

Malt whiskey is produced from barley and produced in a pot still.

A “single” whisky is the product of one distillery only.

A “blended” whisky is a mixture of grain whisky and a number of malt whiskies.

A “Single malt” whisky is the product of one distillery and is usually aged for a length of time prior to release. It is usually a blend of different casks from different years all from the same distillery. Each malt has it’s own distinctive flavour.

A “Single grain” malt is the product of a grain distillery only, it is usually lighter in style and far more neutral than a malt.

Pot still whiskey is a traditional name for Irish Whiskey produced from a mixture of malted and unmalted barley.

A “vatted malt” will contain a number of malt whiskies that have been skilfully blended together or "married," to create a consistent whisky with its own distinct, identifiable character.

A pot still is a copper container in which the distillation process is carried out. The heating of the contents of the still produces vapours containing the alcohol which is separated from the water.

The Coffee still or Patent still invented by Irish man Aeneas Coffee, a former Government Excise Official. His invention allows the continuous distillation of wash (The term given to the fermented liquid prior to being pumped into the wash still for the first distillation).

Grain Whisky

Is made in a patent rather than in a pot still. The raw material used is maize which is ground to a flour and then cooked under steam pressure to release the starch. Grain whisky is distilled to a higher purity which results in the spirit being less-flavoured than from the pot still which matures quicker.

There are four main types of Scotch whisky,

Highland

Most scotch falls into this category as they come from north of a line from Greenock to Dundee. They produce the most delicately flavoured malts.

Islay

These whiskies’s come from the island of the same name and give them a full flavour peaty malts often with flavours of iodine and tar.

Speyside

The whiskies of this region are noted for their elegance and complexity.

Lowland

These whiskeys are from south of the Dundee to Greenock line producing the lightest of malts which are largely used in blends.

How to make whisky

The first stage of production is the conversion of the starch in the barley into sugar. This is done by steeping the barley in water for forty eight hours.

The damp barley is then spread out on a malting floor and turned regularly. Now germination starts and it becomes “green malt”.

Before germination takes over the green malt is placed it in a peat fired kiln which stops any further germination. The peat or “reek” adds extra flavour to the barley which is now called “malt”.

The malt is now ground in a mill to where it forms “grist”

The grist is then mixed with hot water in a large vat to extract the sugar. The result is a sweet product called “wort”.

The wort is then drawn off and transferred into large fermenting vats where the raw material for distillation called “wash” is created.

All scotch malt whiskey is produced using the Pot Still. This is a double distillation. The first is the wash-still which converts the wash, at about 12%, to low-wines (about 30% vol). The low-wines are then collected and re-distilled in the smaller spirit still which produces raw whisky about 70% vol. This is the middle part of the distillate; the heads (called foreshots) and the tails (called feints) are removed as they contain toxic substances.

The resulting spirit cannot be regarded as Scotch whisky until it is matured in oak casks for at least three years. The most popular casks are freshly emptied sherry casks.

Irish whiskey is made using a pot still in which the spirit is distilled three times from a mixture of malted and unmalted barley, oats and wheat. The heads and the tails are removed on both the second and the third distillation resulting in a very smooth and mellow spirit.

How to drink whiskey

There is no right or wrong way to drink Scotch whisky - it's all down to personal taste at the end of the day. However, here are a few suggestions:

Many who drink whiskey neat say they do not want to spoil the taste by adding water. However, equally as many will say that adding a touch of water, serves to enhance the distinctive aroma and flavour of a whiskey. Tap water may contain high amounts of chlorine and therefore would not complement any whisky - your best bet is to opt for bottled mineral water!

Adding ice to a whisky is such as a shame because it will only dull the fine taste and wonderful aromas. Similarly, carbonated water is not an ideal accompaniment for whiskey as it may interfere with the aromas also.

Adding mixers such as ginger ale, soda and even coca cola, is a popular trend, however it begs the question - why drink whiskey at all if you need to disguise the taste?
 
There's a much wider variety of flavours in Scotch. Sweet heather honey in Aberfeldy; meaty smokiness in Lagavulin; the TCP of Laphroaig; salty Bunnahabhain.

Also, forget age statements. They're largely meaningless in terms of flavour. A 15 from a particular distillery may taste markedly different from the same distillery's 12, but that's largely due to the fact they're blended by the master blender for a different character (yes, most "single" malts are blended, the single just refers to the fact the constituent whiskies are from one distillery, the malt to the fact that it contains no grain whisky). If you want to explore flavours in malt whisky (beyond peat) pay more attention to casks used than age.
Also, I'm reliably told to avoid anything older than 35 years. I've never tried anything that old but a well respected whisky expert, writer of several books on the subject, and whisky merchant of note once told me that whiskies older than 30-35, despite commanding four figure prices, taste like "cat's ****". Due to the tannins and whatnot from the wood. He said he's lucky people who buy £4K, 35+, whiskies from him rarely open them. Although the people who do mostly pretend they think they are "marvellous". Probably because they've just paid through the nose for it. A convenient irrationality that saves him costly refunds.
 
Well mate,

I'm glad I've helped to expand your taste in the finer things in life...

...then balanced it out by demonstrating how to make a makeshift poncho out of a bin liner!

Sometimes the moment or environment in which you experience something is what makes you appreciate it more and starts you on a road of discovery.

In fact I never liked Whisky until I was 21, I thought it was a disgusting drink which made me boak. Then one cold, wet, Autumn day on Skye, a close friend and I dropped in the Talisker Distillery. It was a miserable day and I was chilled to the bone. While we waited for the next tour the women gave us a complimentary nip. As I sipped that warm, comforting drink, I was changed forever. I can still remember that moment with great fondness. And the cask strength stuff we tried at the end was like dripping liquid sherbert onto my tongue...

I would urge you to stick to the Scottish stuff, mate. Keep your eye out at the supermarket for good deals and when you see a bottle you fancy buy it. Perhaps try and work out which style you like to start with, maybe something mellow like a Speyside. Don't just jump in with the Islay stuff (my favourites) unless you want to be drinking medicine...

Savour your whiskey, it goes great with cheese and biscuits, maybe a wee bit onion chutney or pickle etc...

But don't drink it for breakfast :nono:

That's only allowed when your camping...

:D

DirtyC
 
jarenault said:
He said he's lucky people who buy £4K, 35+, whiskies from him rarely open them. Although the people who do mostly pretend they think they are "marvellous". Probably because they've just paid through the nose for it. A convenient irrationality that saves him costly refunds.

Don't say that! You'll put him off!

Owwww much!?!?!
 
DirtyCaner said:
Well mate,
I'm glad I've helped to expand your taste in the finer things in life...

...then balanced it out by demonstrating how to make a makeshift poncho out of a bin liner!
Sometimes the moment or environment in which you experience something is what makes you appreciate it more and starts you on a road of discovery.

But don't drink it for breakfast :nono:
That's only allowed when your camping... :D

DirtyC
I'll never forget you Rick, your a great guy... :thumb: :thumb:

BB
 
DirtyCaner said:
jarenault said:
He said he's lucky people who buy £4K, 35+, whiskies from him rarely open them. Although the people who do mostly pretend they think they are "marvellous". Probably because they've just paid through the nose for it. A convenient irrationality that saves him costly refunds.

Don't say that! You'll put him off!

Owwww much!?!?!
Yup. If you go beyond 30, you very quickly get into silly money.
Heard a story (from the same guy) about a Japanese businessman who visited a famous specialist whisky shop up north and spent £22,000.






On four bottles of whisky.

Check out Highland Park 50 year old: http://www.whiskyshop.com/Shop/Highland ... D3529.aspx
 
Who do you think is winning at this game????

Not the individual who enjoys good Whisky or even Whiskey. Take no notice of these propaganda merchants and enjoy what your taste dictates,

They are your taste buds!!!!
 
jarenault said:
DirtyCaner said:
jarenault said:
He said he's lucky people who buy £4K, 35+, whiskies from him rarely open them. Although the people who do mostly pretend they think they are "marvellous". Probably because they've just paid through the nose for it. A convenient irrationality that saves him costly refunds.

Don't say that! You'll put him off!

Owwww much!?!?!
Yup. If you go beyond 30, you very quickly get into silly money.
Heard a story (from the same guy) about a Japanese businessman who visited a famous specialist whisky shop up north and spent £22,000.






On four bottles of whisky.
Think I'll nip in Morrisons............. got a £5.00 fuel loyalty voucher :D :D
 
There's an offy a few miles from here (only place I know that actually stocks chartreuse) that specialises in whisky. They have about 120 types in stock and will order anything else. The top 10 on the price list don't have a price listed -if you have to ask you can't afford it kindathing. Took the wife's best man in there to pick himself a thankyou pressy, reckoned he'd not seen a better whisky shop outside of Edinburgh.
Luckily I'm not a big whisky drinker.
I like rum.
 
oldbloke said:
There's an offy a few miles from here (only place I know that actually stocks chartreuse) that specialises in whisky. They have about 120 types in stock and will order anything else. The top 10 on the price list don't have a price listed -if you have to ask you can't afford it kindathing. Took the wife's best man in there to pick himself a thankyou pressy, reckoned he'd not seen a better whisky shop outside of Edinburgh.
Luckily I'm not a big whisky drinker.
I like rum.
There are better whisky shops in Scotland than the ones found in Edinburgh. A favourite of mine that I try to visit once a year is a wee place in Pitlochry. Not the main booze shop there, this place looks more like a grocers from the outside. In fact, it's stock in trade is normal corner shop stuff but it sports an INCREDIBLE whisky collection. The owner is a massive whisky buff, and will talk to you about whisky for hours before you make a choice if you let him (I often do). Basically, he retired and put all of his money into whisky.
Whisky appreciates at lunatic rates. Especially the big four: Ardbeg, MacAllan, Port Ellen and....I forget the other one.
Take Ardbeg's "Alligator" (so called because it's matured in casks with an alligator-char - basically, the inside of the cask is charred so much it resembles alligator skin). It came out a year and a half ago. Selling for £50. Now commanding £120. And it will only get more expensive.
 
BigYin said:
same ingredients.. almost..... same process.. almost ....

http://www.barkeeper.co.uk/page.asp?menu=0&page=560

· Scotch is cask aged for at least 2 years, Irish at least 3 years.

· Irish whiskey is distilled three times in larger than normal copper "pot" stills. The pot stills and the extra distillation produce a uniquely delicate drink. Developing later, Scotch uses continuous process stills.

That info is wrong on two counts: firstly, Scotch has to be aged for at least three years in oak casks; for Irish whiskey the casks can be any kind of wood.

Secondly Scotch malt whisky isn't distilled using the continuous process (or Coffey) still. Only a pot still is capable of producing good single-malt Scotch. A Coffey still would destroy the flavour, which is why it's used (as in Ireland) for grain whisky. A scotch single-malt can be every bit as delicate as a good Irish whisky, although that's not really to my taste. My preference is for Islay single malts like Caol Ila, Lagavulin, Laphroaig or Ardbeg, the kind where you tend to sip because a gulp will delaminate your oesophagus.

On the cost-of-whisky front, I once was given a dram of 30yo Ardbeg. I'm used to the 10yo Ardbeg, and didn't expect the 30yo to taste as good as it did. That one dram was (from memory) worth over £50, and :shock: well worth the price.

IMO the best whisky shop in London is the Vintage House on Old Compton Street, Soho. I go in there occasionally and drool.
 
jarenault said:
There are better whisky shops in Scotland than the ones found in Edinburgh. A favourite of mine that I try to visit once a year is a wee place in Pitlochry. Not the main booze shop there, this place looks more like a grocers from the outside.

Do you recall the name? I'll ask Iain if he knows it. He's in Linlithgow
 
Tim_Crowhurst said:
. My preference is for Islay single malts like Caol Ila, Lagavulin, Laphroaig or Ardbeg, the kind where you tend to sip because a gulp will delaminate your oesophagus.

On the cost-of-whisky front, I once was given a dram of 30yo Ardbeg. I'm used to the 10yo Ardbeg, and didn't expect the 30yo to taste as good as it did. That one dram was (from memory) worth over £50, and :shock: well worth the price.

A man after my own heart! (and so the man love continues)

One of my best whiskeys was the Ardbeg Supernova, apparently the most peated whisky ever. That was pretty unique...
 
Is it awful to say I like Jim Beam?
And it's only 15quid in Lidl, too!
 
oldbloke said:
jarenault said:
There are better whisky shops in Scotland than the ones found in Edinburgh. A favourite of mine that I try to visit once a year is a wee place in Pitlochry. Not the main booze shop there, this place looks more like a grocers from the outside.

Do you recall the name? I'll ask Iain if he knows it. He's in Linlithgow
"Robertsons of Pitlochry"

http://robertsonsofpitlochry.co.uk/

Pitlochry is a fair old drive from Linlithgow, mind.
 
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