Saflager S-23

[An Ankoù]

I see there have been some threads of the same title, but not really what I'm looking for.
So here's the story:
I haven;t used S-23 very much in the past, but one of my favourites from last years lager season was a Vienna Red pitched with said yeast. I made a 20L batch a week ago and I've just made another. I racked the first batch into secondary, split the cake 3 ways and now I've poured the second batch onto the third that remained in the fermenter. Clocked off for lunch. An hour later and the airlock is bubbling regularly about once every 30 seconds. I've never seen a batch take off like that before! Wort temperature (so pitch temperature) was about 16C and the brewery temperature is at 11C at the moment so it won't take long to cool down.
What I'd like to know is whether anybody out there has used S-23 for beers which are not traditionally lagers. There's a couple of ales I'd like to make, one's a red and the other's a pale ale, which, if it were on cask, would be a bitter. I understand the S-23 has a bit more flavour than other lager yeasts and I#ll be fermenting between about 12 and 14C. Any thoughts gratefully received.

Why?
I like to work with the seasons as far as possible and I'd prefer to pitch a more suitable yeast than resort to temperature control. Just a fad.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

There's a couple of ales I'd like to make, one's a red and the other's a pale ale, which, if it were on cask, would be a bitter. I understand the S-23 has a bit more flavour than other lager yeasts and I#ll be fermenting between about 12 and 14C. Any thoughts gratefully received.

Why?
I like to work with the seasons as far as possible and I'd prefer to pitch a more suitable yeast than resort to temperature control. Just a fad.

The thing about S-23 is that it seems to be close to the "Urquell" Czech subfamily of lager yeasts, so it tends to produce diacetyl which people interpret as "dirtier".

I wouldn't sweat the temperature thing too much - the generally-available lager yeasts are all from the Frohberg group so are happy at "ale" temperatures, and ale yeasts will work down at "cellar" temperatures (otherwise cask conditioning wouldn't work) - Notty in particular is happy at relatively low temperatures.

So yeah, since you have the S-23 to hand, you might as well use it. Lager yeast don't give quite the same flavour, but just think of it as the lighter equivalent of Baltic porter...

 

[Clarence]

The thing about S-23 is that it seems to be close to the "Urquell" Czech subfamily of lager yeasts, so it tends to produce diacetyl which people interpret as "dirtier".

I wouldn't sweat the temperature thing too much - the generally-available lager yeasts are all from the Frohberg group so are happy at "ale" temperatures, and ale yeasts will work down at "cellar" temperatures (otherwise cask conditioning wouldn't work) - Notty in particular is happy at relatively low temperatures.

So yeah, since you have the S-23 to hand, you might as well use it. Lager yeast don't give quite the same flavour, but just think of it as the lighter equivalent of Baltic porter

Uncle Ankou has migrated to the other forum and won't be back here. He asked me to tidy up his affairs.
He say's "Thanks for that response, it is much appreciated."

 

[Northern_Brewer]

Which other

Uncle Ankou has migrated to the other forum and won't be back here. He asked me to tidy up his affairs.

Which other forum? Or is that a metaphor?

 

[Clarence]

Which other

Which other forum? Or is that a metaphor?

Are you asking whether I should have used the RIP thread?
No. The grumpy old barstool will outlive us all. The devil looks after his own, you know. Even if that isn't really a pagan concept. LOL

 

[dmtaylor]

Which other forum?

I think I found him. Not too much traffic over there either. Perhaps a slightly different vibe. Not better or worse, just different.

https://www.homebrewinguk.com/post/tales-from-the-crypt-an-ankoùs-brewdays-11403382?trail=510

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I think I found him. Not too much traffic over there either. Perhaps a slightly different vibe. Not better or worse, just different.

https://www.homebrewinguk.com/post/tales-from-the-crypt-an-ankoùs-brewdays-11403382?trail=510

Also a member at Jims forum - https://www.jimsbeerkit.co.uk/

 

[starseeker]

Uncle Ankou has migrated to the other forum and won't be back here. He asked me to tidy up his affairs.
He say's "Thanks for that response, it is much appreciated."

That's a shame as i have always really enjoyed his contributions to this forum