Petition for a new General Elections

[Bitter_Dave]

The hypocrisy of Nigel Farage promoting this petition is just staggering. You would think he would keep his mouth shut on this one (then again....)

 

[An Ankoù]

The hypocrisy of Nigel Farage promoting this petition is just staggering. You would think he would keep his mouth shut on this one (then again....)

It is a mighty old gob. Very difficult to keep shut, I should imagine.
More laughable is Elon Mouse chucking in his grain of salt. I love it when narcissists think their time has come. Especially when they're camp.
Pass the popcorn. I'm loving this.

 

[chopps]

What I want is the NHS fixed, a grown up discussion on immigration and public services sorted.

YES.

I'm a floater (!) but if that's all they fix they'll have my vote next time and if they can maintain it they'll get my vote the time after that too.

We are experiencing first hand today the absolute shambles of the NHS (with Sarah's dad)
You don't appreciate just how appalling it all is until you witness it first hand.
This won't be solved quickly, you can re-run elections as many times as you like.

At least the waiting list for A&E Majors in Crewe today is only 2 hours 36 mins to be seen
But unfortunately if you need to be admitted you're in trouble.
30 hours in an A&E cubicle, and counting.....

 

[Rodcx500z]

Over the last 6 years the NHS has saved my life twice and i mean saved, This is the third time in my life the torys have tried to kill it, what i don't get is why are the people of this Country just standing by while it happens' the only reason i can come to is what Chops said above most people don't know until they really need it, apart from ni contributions it's free. do you want a private system like in the USA i certainly don't and if i had to i would pay ni out of my pension after all i am still going to use it at some point

 

[pilgrimhudd]

The hypocrisy of Nigel Farage promoting this petition is just staggering. You would think he would keep his mouth shut on this one (then again....)

That f*ckstick is like a modern day Lord haw haw.

 

[Brew_DD2]

Over the last 6 years the NHS has saved my life twice and i mean saved, This is the third time in my life the torys have tried to kill it, what i don't get is why are the people of this Country just standing by while it happens' the only reason i can come to is what Chops said above most people don't know until they really need it, apart from ni contributions it's free. do you want a private system like in the USA i certainly don't and if i had to i would pay ni out of my pension after all i am still going to use it at some point

We are very lucky to have such a system, and it's been failed for years. NI is no longer a hypothecated tax, but I think there is an argument for the likes of sugar taxes and other lifestyle taxes to be.

Wes Streeting has made some good noises about the NHS (along with some not so good noises), but I'll start believing when that talk is turned in to action. I feel quite lucky that Health is a devolved matter, because a lot the deterioration in the quality of healthcare provision has been staved off and delayed up here. Albeit looking at what's happening in England is like getting a horrible view into the future.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

why are the people of this Country just standing by while it happens' the only reason i can come to is what Chops said above most people don't know until they really need it,

We all know the state the NHS is in its in the news often enough ambulances queuing up outside, patients in corridors etc, i find it a strange question coming from someone who openly admitted he didn't vote as all we can do to change it is vote for the party we think will.

 

[Rodcx500z]

Just because i don't vote doesn't mean i don't care i do, i just don't believe our political system works

 

[Omega]

Sign the petition - it will get to nowhere this time, but we must put pressure on the politicians who keep lying. The system is a demagoguery and piers should start paying for the lies
I think it won’t happen, it is a realist world

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Just because i don't vote doesn't mean i don't care i do, i just don't believe our political system works

I get that but you said "why are the people of this Country just standing by while it happens" how do "the people" change the state the NHS is in?

 

[Rodcx500z]

By protesting on the streets like the farmers did, no violence just peaceful protest day after day

 

[Chippy_Tea]

By protesting on the streets like the farmers did, no violence just peaceful protest day after day

I didn't agree with the stop oil lots methods but they were all over the news for a long time did it change anything no, I cannot see them backing down to the farmers and if they do make changes it'll be because the money involved is a drop in the ocean compared to how much it would cost to fix the NHS protest will never change that problem.

 

[Andrew Booth]

Rather than petitions wait for the local council elections next May that will be a truer barometer of people in the regions thoughts

 

[Bitter_Dave]

Rather than petitions wait for the local council elections next May that will be a truer barometer of people in the regions thoughts

True, but it is not unusual for incumbent governments to not do that well mid-term in council elections. What matters is who the public choose on five years time.

 

[Bitter_Dave]

I didn't agree with the stop oil lots methods but they were all over the news for a long time bit it change anything no, I cannot see them backing down to the farmers and if they do make changes it'll be because the money involved is a drop in the ocean compared to how much it would cost to fix the NHS protest will never change that problem.

The thing that will improve the NHS is ultimately more money over a sustained period of time. That means raising more in taxes and probably spending a bit less elsewhere. What will achieve that is voting for parties prepared to do that. No amount of protest is going to change that basic fact.

 

[Rodcx500z]

The money is going to come from targeting the sick and disabled and mental health, while serial criminals do what the feck they like without fear of jail time

 

[Chippy_Tea]

The money is going to come from targeting the sick and disabled and mental health, while serial criminals do what the feck they like without fear of jail time

How are they going to raise the billions it'll take to fix the NHS by targeting the sick?

 

[Bjorn Toulouse]

It could be worse. We have had 17 years of total incompetence. Every pledge trashed. Smaller classroom sizes, better policing, ferries for the islands, net zero leaders, duelling of the A9? Now due to their reliance on the green party we have bike lanes everywhere with no one on them. A deposit return scheme that was doomed from the outset. However they did give us baby boxes, so much legislation that the private rental market is in free fall and free bus travel for anyone who does not pay tax. And talking of tax if you earn more than £43 and a half thousand you are on 42%. I think I will be moving to England in the next few years.

Go on Labour try and trump that.

 

[old dog new tricks]

The thing that will improve the NHS is ultimately more money over a sustained period of time. That means raising more in taxes and probably spending a bit less elsewhere. What will achieve that is voting for parties prepared to do that. No amount of protest is going to change that basic fact.

I was almost sick in my mouth saying this and really goes against the grain, the tories did fund the NHS, yes not to the levels many would like to see but ist not like they pulled the funding like they did with other areas. Te biggest problem is how the money is spent and system of the NHS is very inefficient, i work in defence and we have the same problem expect out operating budgets have been slashed, the equipment budget is still there but everything else is gojgn down not up. i am not close enough to the NHS to see if this is the case there, point I am making is throwing money at it is only half the job and top line budgets do not always translate to that at ground level.
As mentioned I am also in an area where health is devolved so I am somewhat shielded form it, tho do pay higher tax than England

 

[old dog new tricks]

It could be worse. We have had 17 years of total incompetence. Every pledge trashed. Smaller classroom sizes, better policing, ferries for the islands, net zero leaders, duelling of the A9? Now due to their reliance on the green party we have bike lanes everywhere with no one on them. A deposit return scheme that was doomed from the outset. However they did give us baby boxes, so much legislation that the private rental market is in free fall and free bus travel for anyone who does not pay tax. And talking of tax if you earn more than £43 and a half thousand you are on 42%. I think I will be moving to England in the next few years.

Sorry you feel that way just to clarify the free bus is not just non tax payers, 5-21 years old and over 60 all get it regardless if they working and paying tax. My kids are 17 and 18 and although they don't use it as regular as i would like the safety net is still there that they will not be stuck and they work in LEZ.
btw you forgot a few things
Free prescriptions
Free Eye Tests
Free Tuition
Free Sanitary products
Dentists while no free to all vastly more get free treatment and the number of available NHS dentists is the best in the UK
Council Tax , hard to believe I know but average rates in Scotland are lower than England

Minimum unit alcohol pricing they can take back tho!

Not an SNP advert btw I pay more tax earlier down the pay scale and 42% threshold was fixed and not rising in line with inflation for many years now, we invented the stealth tax not the tory's haha.
They are pretty shambolic and leaderless but the only ones offering something more than the broken Westminster system