One Percent

[Brew_DD2]

I cannot speak for there you live but here patients coming back to the care home here were not tested this caused Covid to spread quickly and that caused a huge headache for the homes and staff with little in the way of PPE etc.

Again, these patients were deemed medically fit (by the usual measures). Not testing them was a huge mistake that killed thousands, but they were still medically fit to be discharged.

 

[Brew_DD2]

As i have said several times they know the pay when they take the job and vocation doesn't mean they are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts it means they care about the job they do they are not just doing it to earn a wage i have already said my wife and her colleagues do many hours of overtime due to staff shortages they do not get any overtime payment for doing it yet they do it without moaning as they care about the people they look after.

The two things aren't mutually exclusive and to suggest otherwise is insulting. It's absolutely possible to care about your patients and the work you do, and still feel that the work you do deserves more appropriate remuneration.

 

[Crappyfish]

Everyone deserves a pay raise alongside inflation. I bet the mp's will get one. I believe police have had a pay freeze.

Actual miracle happened they froze MP salary of over 80000 till 2022.

 

[Leon103]

Actual miracle happened they froze MP salary of over 80000 till 2022.

But those below got a rise?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

The two things aren't mutually exclusive and to suggest otherwise is insulting. It's absolutely possible to care about your patients and the work you do, and still feel that the work you do deserves more appropriate remuneration.

I can see we are never going to agree.

The bottom line for me is if you don't like the wage offered at interview don't take the job (that goes for all jobs) if you take the job don't ***** about the wage later if job gets a little more difficult than you expected it to, as i said earlier when soldiers sign up they don't expect to go to war and risk their lives but when they do they don't come back and use the war and public feelings to demand a huge wage rise.

 

[Brew_DD2]

I can see we are never going to agree.

The bottom line for me is if you don't like the wage offered at interview don't take the job (that goes for all jobs) if you take the job don't ***** about the wage later if job gets a little more difficult than you expected it to, as i said earlier when soldiers sign up they don't expect to go to war and risk their lives but when they do they don't come back and use the war and public feelings to demand a huge wage rise.

And if the job grows arms and legs? If conditions change from when you started? Very simplistic and laughable to say that you should be happy with the salary. If I started 30 years ago, should I expect that salary to be the same in 2021?

Also, I'm not using anything to demand a huge wage rise. Pay was frozen for 10 years, any big rise now would merely correct that. All that's going to happen if we continue to pay poorly, relative to unskilled work, is that people will continue to not go into Nursing.

Also could you correct the post where you've incorrectly quoted me and said I'm contradicting myself?

Ta, and bye.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

And if the job grows arms and legs? If conditions change from when you started? Very simplistic and laughable to say that you should be happy with the salary. If I started 30 years ago, should I expect that salary to be the same in 2021?

If their job changes then fine but this is not about job changing why do you keep moving the goal posts? this is about the public all saying the nurses have done such a wonderful job through this pandemic and they should be given a wager rise, i agree they have but they are not the only ones unfortunately due to the press etc it would seem they are the only ones which really gets on my nerves.

Also, I'm not using anything to demand a huge wage rise. Pay was frozen for 10 years, any big rise now would merely correct that. All that's going to happen if we continue to pay poorly, relative to unskilled work, is that people will continue to not go into Nursing.

People will always want to go into nursing as as you said earlier they care.
Do you think nurses are the only ones to have had their pay frozen or had no rise for years,

 

[Brew_DD2]

My wife is fully qualified to work in the EMI unit and she is on £18000 look at the bands below for nurses.


NHS pay is operated in a banding system that was introduced in 2004.

This system allocates specific roles and levels of seniority to specific bands, and therefore, salaries.

As already mentioned, newly qualified Nurses enter the workforce at Band 5.

The salary ranges at each banding beyond this level are:

• Band 6: £31,365 to £37,890

• Band 7: £38,890 to £44,503

• Band 8: £45,753 to £87,754

• Band 9: £91,004 to £104,927

https://www.nurses.co.uk/nursing/blog/a-quick-overview-of-nurses--salaries-in-the-uk-in-2021/

Agenda for change is a big pile of ****, but I'm not sure what you're driving at.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

As i said earlier my wife is fully qualified to work in the EMI unit in a council run care home and she is on £18000 no one is calling for them to get a wage rise and they have had to deal with covid in the home with several deaths and staff also catching it, do you think its fair she and her fellow carers are on £13000 less than the lowest graded nurse?


NHS pay is operated in a banding system that was introduced in 2004.

This system allocates specific roles and levels of seniority to specific bands, and therefore, salaries.

As already mentioned, newly qualified Nurses enter the workforce at Band 5.

The salary ranges at each banding beyond this level are:

• Band 6: £31,365 to £37,890

• Band 7: £38,890 to £44,503

• Band 8: £45,753 to £87,754

• Band 9: £91,004 to £104,927

https://www.nurses.co.uk/nursing/blog/a-quick-overview-of-nurses--salaries-in-the-uk-in-2021/

 

[Brew_DD2]

If their job changes then fine but this is not about job changing why do you keep moving the goal posts? this is about the public all saying the nurses have done such a wonderful job through this pandemic and they should be given a wager rise, i agree they have but they are not the only ones unfortunately due to the press etc it would seem they are the only ones which really gets on my nerves.



People will always want to go into nursing as as you said earlier they care.
Do you think nurses are the only ones to have had their pay frozen or had no rise for years,

I'm not moving any goalposts, I'm telling you what my goalposts are. I'm not saying they should get a rise because the pandemic, I'm saying they should get a rise because their pay was frozen for a decade, resulting in the profession being underpaid. Care or not, fewer people will put themselves through 3/4 years of Uni when they can earn similar in their local supermarket.

I can't speak for other public sector workers, but of course they should see an uplift in their salaries. They faced the same squeeze as all of those in the medical profession.

Also, I can tell you that the job role did change quite considerably, and on numerous occasions, throughout the pandemic.

 

[Brew_DD2]

do you think its fair she and her fellow carers are on £13000 less than the lowest graded nurse

Absolutely not. I think it's a disgrace that we pay carers so little.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Care or not, fewer people will out themselves through 3/ years of Uni when they can earn similar in their local supermarket.

Again i disagree, if you go into nursing you have the opportunity to climb the ladder so there will always be an attraction also foreign workers will always want to come here as they always have, many Pilipino workers are now working in the care homes which only started to happen here fairly recently i guess £18000 is a lot of money to them, i cannot see many potential nurses taking a supermarket job because the pay is better but i might be wrong.

 

[Brew_DD2]

Again i disagree, if you go into nursing you have the opportunity to climb the ladder so there will always be an attraction also foreign workers will always want to come here as they have always done, supermarket working is considered a dead end job.

Almost all nursing roles top out at a Band 7, and those are highly specialised. Anything above that, and you'd be as well being a manager for Tesco.

Nobody goes into nursing for the money, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be able to ask for more when they feel they deserve it.

 

[VW911]

I completely agree that the NHS staff have done a great job. (I wouldn't want to do it!)
But, they are not that badly paid.
People in lots of other occupations have worked just as hard (if not harder) on much lower salaries.
Supermarket workers, teachers, school caterers, cleaners, bin men, energy suppliers, garage forecourt staff, bus/train crews, etc. take home much less, and I very much doubt that many of them will get a pay rise at all.
It's patently obvious that there just isn't the money in the public purse to support large pay rises for anyone at the moment.
(I really do hope that all the professions that deserve it get rewarded in the future, but let's get the country back on it's feet first)...

 

[Brew_DD2]

I completely agree that the NHS staff have done a great job. (I wouldn't want to do it!)
But, they are not that badly paid.
People in lots of other occupations have worked just as hard (if not harder) on much lower salaries.
Supermarket workers, teachers, school caterers, cleaners, bin men, energy suppliers, garage forecourt staff, bus/train crews, etc. take home much less, and I very much doubt that many of them will get a pay rise at all.
It's patently obvious that there just isn't the money in the public purse to support large pay rises for anyone at the moment.
(I really do hope that all the professions that deserve it get rewarded in the future, but let's get the country back on it's feet first)...

A few of those are private sector, and as such it's not down to the government or the public to decode their wages. Do I think those in retail should see an uplift in their pay? Yes, but that's own to those respective companies.

Do I think teachers, carers and other public sector workers deserve a rise? Yes, and it's down to our elected representatives to decide on that.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I am glad they have to have a ballot and i don't think they will strike its not the right time for this action and as has been said they are care workers who care they are not going to leave patients at this time of crisis (my fingers are crossed)


A nurses' union has set up a £35m fund to prepare for possible strike action over a proposed 1% pay rise for NHS workers in England.
The Royal College of Nursing (RCN) called this "pitiful", arguing that its members should get 12.5% instead.
It would have to hold a ballot before strikes could go ahead.
Labour said NHS "heroes" deserved more money, but the government insisted 1% was "what's affordable" at a difficult time for the public finances.
At least 1.3 million other public sector staff - including teachers, the armed forces, firefighters and police officers - are about to have their pay frozen for a year.

Full article - Covid-19: Nurses prepare for strikes over 1% NHS pay rise in England

 

[Brew_DD2]

I am glad they have to have a ballot and i don't think they will strike its not the right time for this action and as has been said they are care workers who care they are not going to leave patients at this time of crisis (my fingers are crossed)


A nurses' union has set up a £35m fund to prepare for possible strike action over a proposed 1% pay rise for NHS workers in England.
The Royal College of Nursing (RCN) called this "pitiful", arguing that its members should get 12.5% instead.
It would have to hold a ballot before strikes could go ahead.
Labour said NHS "heroes" deserved more money, but the government insisted 1% was "what's affordable" at a difficult time for the public finances.
At least 1.3 million other public sector staff - including teachers, the armed forces, firefighters and police officers - are about to have their pay frozen for a year.

• How much will NHS staff be paid?
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• NHS staff vote for 6.5% pay deal

The Department of Health and Social Care recommended the 1% pay rise to the independent panel that advises the government on NHS salaries.
It would cover nearly all hospital staff, but not GPs and dentists. The panel is due to make its own pay recommendations in early May, when ministers will make their final decision.
A government spokesperson said 1% was a "real-terms increase", as the latest official inflation figure was 0.9%.

Full article - Covid-19: Nurses prepare for strikes over 1% NHS pay rise in England

Last time we were balloted in 2019, 92% said they would back strike action. It could happen.

 

[Nidger]

I told you to grow up because you posted "But hey, fook em all eh" in your reply to me as if that was my view on the subject which you know it isnt.



Could you show me where i directly said care home workers work harder than nurses if you cannot stop misquoting me to try to make you argument stronger!



Is there one for local care?

I'll not get into an argument.
I will apologize if I took the wrong view but your statement came across as crass.

"why should nurses get 12% the unions are calling for TBH i have grown tired of hearing the nurses were the heroes through the pandemic (clap the nurses etc) many people have had to go to work throughout this and no one ever mentions them."

They won't get 12% but aim high and take what comes.

Why should they, ?
Your words.
They should because they put their lives on the line.
They selfishly carried on without ppe from the start.
They got covid, some died.
I've worked through it and lost money, hey ho.
There's more deserving than myself.

I'm don't know if there is one for local care. Maybe everyone should have the attitude of "I'm not signing as I'm sick of hearing about them"if they do

If there isn't one, start one up

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Last time we were balloted in 2019, 92% said they would back strike action. It could happen.

Well that puts it in a different light, i have a feeling due to them winning the Covid battle they wont abandon patients even though it would be the best time to do it as they would have a huge lever.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I'll not get into an argument.
I will apologize if I took the wrong view but your statement came across as crass.

No need to apologise it probably read that way