Luton Vauxhall plant will close in April

[Clint]

It's not a "British Gas" problem it's a problem full stop.
What about the driver who drives the van who finds he has to go electric? He can't charge his car at home...as millions won't be able to. So what happens there? It's a complete mess. There will be some bone head politician with an answer no doubt..like use public transport...that doesn't run the time you need it or go past where you're going...and on your day off...sit in your house..go NOWHERE. Oh,that sounds very familiar.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

For all those that hate EVs, local delivery drivers are absolutely ideal for going EV. The Post Office are massively investing in them, even in rural areas like I live in. They simply have banks of chargers.

Small vans (like Vivaros and smaller) have a range of around 250 miles. In real terms, these vans often don't do 100 miles a day, particularly in urban areas.

I remember speaking to someone who lived in Oxford who said that his DPD van rarely does more than 70 miles a day.
Over 1/3 of DPD vans are now fully EV.

Think about your local builder (let's call him Bob). Bob uses his van to get from one side of the city to the other - around 15 miles. Sometimes, he takes his van to the local merchants to pick up extra bits - say 5 miles. Then he goes home - 15 miles.
As it turns out, he picks up Bill which adds another 20 miles to his day.

He's doing 55 miles a day. I don't think an EV is an issue for him.

Or indeed a plumber (let's call him Peter). Peter does 6 jobs a day. Because he doesn't want to spend all day in his van, he cleverly makes sure he minimizes his travel time, so he does 5 miles between each job. Add on his 5 mile commute from the other side of town, and he's done 40 miles.

Hence why there are so many 20 year old vans on the road with relatively low mileage.

Not sure why you quoted me you said exactly what I did but used many more words to do it

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Can see the local hoodlums having fun leading the police on merry jaunts to run their batteries down

Are they not allowed to call for backup in a BEV

 

[Clint]

Are they not allowed to call for backup in a BEV

It'll be a pushbike.

 

[Stu]

Can see the local hoodlums having fun leading the police on merry jaunts to run their batteries down !

Can't really see that happening.

The local hoodlums are unlikely to be driving anything that can keep up with a Tesla Model 3 LR. And that's a bog standard BEV.

And if they do, it'll likely not have a range of 300 miles. Apparently, the average Police chase is over in a few minutes.

 

[Stu]

It's not a "British Gas" problem it's a problem full stop.
What about the driver who drives the van who finds he has to go electric? He can't charge his car at home...as millions won't be able to. So what happens there? It's a complete mess. There will be some bone head politician with an answer no doubt..like use public transport...that doesn't run the time you need it or go past where you're going...and on your day off...sit in your house..go NOWHERE. Oh,that sounds very familiar.

Somewhere between 30 and 40% can't charge at home. That'll soon change as we start getting on-street charging (as London already has).
DPD clearly don't have an issue, because their vans stay in yards. As do Royal Mail.

It is a British Gas problem, because their drivers keep the vans at home. If the driver doesn't have the ability to charge, they really shouldn't be giving him a BEV.

 

[old dog new tricks]

Can't really see that happening.

The local hoodlums are unlikely to be driving anything that can keep up with a Tesla Model 3 LR. And that's a bog standard BEV.

And if they do, it'll likely not have a range of 300 miles. Apparently, the average Police chase is over in a few minutes.

But they also work a long shift and most dirt bikes still leave a Tesla and can just kerbs etc that the weapon of choice or the electric version.

What I mean is on shift the police fill up at hand over normally as they use a lot of fuel especially on the motorway refilling EVs takes longer who covers while pc plod charges ? Plus how many forces can afford Tesla most have much more modest steers can you imagine the public outcry if the police order a fleet of expensive Tesla's that fall into the expensive tax bracket but pay did all and funded by the taxpayer.

With the endless tax and and attack on the working class something will crack it's not far away just look at the total disrespect for any sort of authority in this country the army of youtube clowns picking fights with coppers it's one step away from anarchy

 

[Stu]

But they also work a long shift and most dirt bikes still leave a Tesla and can just kerbs etc that the weapon of choice or the electric version.

What I mean is on shift the police fill up at hand over normally as they use a lot of fuel especially on the motorway refilling EVs takes longer who covers while pc plod charges ? Plus how many forces can afford Tesla most have much more modest steers can you imagine the public outcry if the police order a fleet of expensive Tesla's that fall into the expensive tax bracket but pay did all and funded by the taxpayer.

With the endless tax and and attack on the working class something will crack it's not far away just look at the total disrespect for any sort of authority in this country the army of youtube clowns picking fights with coppers it's one step away from anarchy

So as an aside, a Tesla V4 is around 350kw. So that means the car charges in around 25 minutes from pretty much flat and then has around 350 miles (as you know, you'll not get the fastest charge at the bottom and the top, otherwise it would be under 15 minutes).It's not impacting a shift.

I don't think it's going to be an issue.
Most Police cars don't do 200 miles in a shift.

Most Police forces have Teslas, and they're starting to become more common. Like anything, car companies fall over themselves to get entrenched in the Police. Vauxhall used to give them away virtually for free back in the day.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Plus how many forces can afford Tesla most have much more modest steers can you imagine the public outcry if the police order a fleet of expensive Tesla's that fall into the expensive tax bracket but pay did all and funded by the taxpayer.

Spot on, police use to drive BMW I believe because they were pre wired for all the kit they install suddenly they dropped them and you rarely see police in a new BMW I guess normal cars are not to difficult to install their kit in.

 

[Clint]

Police should have petrol Audi Quattros,minis or anything that looks like a jam butty.

 

[Clint]

Somewhere between 30 and 40% can't charge at home. That'll soon change as we start getting on-street charging (as London already has).
DPD clearly don't have an issue, because their vans stay in yards. As do Royal Mail.

It is a British Gas problem, because their drivers keep the vans at home. If the driver doesn't have the ability to charge, they really shouldn't be giving him a BEV.

So you have a street of say 10 houses each with two or three cars. How many charging posts will be installed to deal with the demand?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

So you have a street of say 10 houses each with two or three cars. How many charging posts will be installed to deal with the demand?

This is going to be a major issue in streets like mine where there are more cars than parking places selfish people with more than one car will hog the place outside their home where there is a charger so they keep it for themselves decent people would charge than swap places with a neighbour who needs to charge unfortunately we now live in a world of shelfish people so it's not going to work for many.

 

[aolcot]

This is going to be a major issue in streets like mine where there are more cars than parking places

100% and property developers continually squeezing the land they buy more and more and reducing on-street/off-street parking space thus exacerbating the problem even further

 

[Clint]

There's a big estate gone up by my mams most in the 300k or more bracket. They have "garages" you can't fit a car in and drives so small your car protrudes over the pavement. All built on land that floods every winter I've ever known. Fixing the drainage issues added over a year,nearer two to the project. No car chargers on the street either.