Leadership Debate

[starseeker]

So, who did you upset when you pursued your dream?

Starting out 26 years ago, at the end of the early 90’s recession, took some luck; or maybe you found yourself one of the 10.7% of people out of work and had nothing to lose?

Either way, it didn’t just take “balls” to succeed!
:hat:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_Kingdom

I had everything to lose, my house included, and yes it takes more than balls ,add 65 to 70 hour weeks, and years of hard graft ,

 

[Brew_DD2]

There are good and bad leaders in all industries. Unfortunately, Politics attracts the sort of person you wouldn't trust to run a bath. Coupled with the fact that it's pretty much a closed shop for the majority of society (and the pay actually isn't all that good), it's not altogether unsurprising that we end up with the sort of politicians we do.

Ultimately I think the structure of how we do politics is to blame for a lot of the ills discussed. Parties (and leadership candidates) are more concerned with beating each other than coming up with coherent policy.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Liz Truss v Rishi Sunak: Who's winning the social media war?​

Social media is a key battleground in any election - even one with a very small electorate. How are Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss trying to win over the Tory members who will choose the next PM?
They are two very different characters, with two very different campaigning styles.
"Everything about Sunak's approach is slick," says PR expert Mark Borkowski.
"It is overly professional in some points. I am not sure whether that is a good or a bad thing. There seems to be a lot of strategy and thinking behind it."
The Truss campaign on the other hand "feels a little bit more homespun", he adds.

Sunak's social media strategy is masterminded by Cass Horowitz, son of best-selling novelist Anthony Horowitz. As a special adviser to Sunak when he was chancellor, Horowitz used fancy graphics and clever tag lines to sell "Brand Rishi" to a younger, politically unengaged audience on Instagram.
The glossy "origin story" video Sunak used to launch his leadership campaign on Twitter - in which he talked about how his mother came to the UK in the early 1960s "armed with hope for a better life" - has been viewed more than 8 million times.

So slick was this film that it raised suspicions that it had been in the works for some time - a suspicion shared by Mark Borkowski, who notes: "You don't create this sort of campaign overnight".
Team Sunak insist the video was put together in 24 hours, after Boris Johnson announced he was standing down.
Liz Truss's social team, run by Reuben Solomon, former head of digital at the Conservative Party, and a protege of Boris Johnson's favourite election strategist Sir Lynton Crosby, have played it safer so far.
The foreign secretary's launch film is an attempt to project her as an international stateswoman. There is little about her own back story, and no spontaneous "behind the scenes" footage. There is much talk about "delivery".

One similarity between the two candidates - and indeed all of the Tory MPs who threw their hats into the leadership ring - is their desire to be on first name terms with the electorate.
This is not a smart move, according to Anthony Ridge-Newman, associate professor of media and communication at Liverpool Hope University.
"Boris Johnson is one of the few politicians to ever be referred to commonly by his first name. The online campaign slogans, both Liz for Leader; and Ready for Rishi, are an attempt to emulate Boris's first name appeal.
"Had either of the Tory leadership candidates come to me for my expert advice, I would have suggested foregrounding their last names, Sunak and Truss.
"It would help their campaigns appear more prime ministerial, which, if I know anything about the Conservative Party, is something they look for in their candidates."

Rishi Sunak's use of video has been more adventurous, with candid, supposedly off-the-cuff footage of him reacting to key moments. There was even an unexpected venture into comedy, with a parody of 1930s cinema newsreel, in a video trumpeting his Brexiteer credentials.
But neither candidate is a natural in front of the camera or the smartphone, in Ridge-Newman's opinion, lacking the fluency of Boris Johnson or David Cameron.
"Sunak's digital content is largely presenting him to be a regular guy," which may be an attempt to neutralise recent media portrayals of him as a member of the wealthy "elite". he says.

"Truss on the other hand is presenting herself in a more statuesque manner. The digital content comes across quite posed and generic, and plays on her role, time and successes as foreign secretary.
"While Truss does not come across as a digital native, her social media campaign seems as though it is most strategically steered towards the Conservative Party membership, who are the ones who will be voting to decide Britain's next prime minister."

One problem for Team Truss is that memes making fun of their candidate have been shared far more than anything produced by the campaign.
"She seems to be the one suffering from a lot of parody," says Mark Borkowski.
So far, Google searches for "Liz Truss" have far outranked those for "Rishi Sunak", but they are often accompanied by the word "cheese".
This is a reference to a 2015 conference speech. in which he she says, in an impassioned voice: "We import two-thirds of our cheese. That. Is. A. Disgrace."
Mr Sunak has also attracted derision on social media, with Labour supporters and others sharing a clip of him as a teenager talking about how he has no working class friends.

But ultimately this is not a campaign that will be won and lost on social media.
As the BBC's Media Editor Amol Rajan has pointed out, the Tory membership are "a narrow section of the population that is much more attuned to newsprint than most Britons".
And Liz Truss appears to have one of the UK's biggest-selling papers The Daily Mail in her corner, which could prove decisive for her.
"In this old-fashioned newspaper election, the tenor of newsprint coverage over the next week could have a significant impact on who becomes prime minister - especially if the Times, Sun and Telegraph decide that, like the Mail, they know who they want, and give hell to whosoever they decide they don't want," says Amol Rajan.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62238068

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Have I Got News For You
@haveigotnews
As Liz Truss becomes odds-on favourite to win leadership race, Downing St begins making the necessary adjustments:

Adrian Chell
@aPChell
Replying to
@haveigotnews
Given her difficulties in locating doors, a big red arrow bordered with flashing lights and pointing at the door, might also be useful.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

 

[Chippy_Tea]

 

[An Ankoù]

Chippy and the mods and all the heavenly hosts will be overjoyed to learn that words completely and utterly fail me in this thread.

Sounds like a great name for a 50s band though, Chippy and the Mods!

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I am probably going to kick myself for asking but what is the door dig in post #124 all about?

Given her difficulties in locating doors, a big red arrow bordered with flashing lights and pointing at the door, might also be useful.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

She’s the best thing to happen for the Labour Party in 20 years. As thick as pig sh#t.

 

[pilgrimhudd]

I am probably going to kick myself for asking but what is the door dig in post #124 all about?

I think she's done it before, but I know she couldn't find the exit after she made her speech saying she'd be running for leader.

 

[pilgrimhudd]

Though nothing beats 'dubya'.

 

[Dutto]

Though nothing beats 'dubya'.

Maybe not, but Rishi is trying! How about:

“I will run the economy like Margaret Thatcher ….”?

That will get him a load of votes in the coal mining constituencies, plus where will he find a nationalised industry to privatise?

Oh, I remember now! The NHS!
Privatising the NHS will be another vote winner!
:hat:

 

[Dutto]

I had everything to lose, my house included, and yes it takes more than balls ,add 65 to 70 hour weeks, and years of hard graft ,

Er … I hope that you and others, aren’t operating under the misapprehension that I don’t know what it’s like to run my own company!

Believe me, you don’t have to be a salaried worker to understand what damage this and previous Tory governments have done to this country.
:hat:

 

[foxy]

I wouldn’t describe that as negative thinking at all.
Some people just don’t have the skill set to start their own business, and it can take many years to develop your skills to be able to set up on your own.
I had to work for some large companies for a good ten years before I could go self-employed, purely because I need to prove I have the experience and track record for results required to add more value to their organisations than the average person in my field.

Well when individuals think it is too hard I would call that negative thinking. I never had a good education left school at 15, worked hard and sometimes working 3 jobs and bought my first home at 21 with a 30% deposit. Majority of those who start a business don't have any experience whatsoever, I know I never did. It takes fortitude and the determination to succeed. It is just like anything else, brewing beer included, you learn as you go, and in business lessons can be expensive. Took me about 6 years before I found my feet. A $46,000 gross takings in the first year with one court appearance for not paying sales tax, not because I was trying to avoid it just didn't have the funds By year 6 the average takings were a gross turnover of $110,000 per month with a GM to drool over.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Calls for Boris to be put on ballot paper this morning, hasta la vista baby.

 

[Rodcx500z]

If i was gambler i would wage a tenner on Boris still being pm on 5/9/22, how can you resign and then get the top job and it's not just any job, the guy is a back stabbing little runt, Rishi is a quitter

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Let's have a look at the candidates.

Rishi -
didn't he get fined for his part in partygate along with Boris?
Why is no one making a big deal about this when he may become leader.

The Poundland Thatcher hasn't done well in the debates so far and her recent speech (posted here earlier) was cringewirthy.

Boris -
Is he really any worse than the above, I know who I would vote for if I was a member.

 

[Dutto]

If Boris is the best we’ve got (and amongst the Conservatives maybe he is) then God help us all.

No wonder there’s a massive queue at Dover for people who want to leave Britain!
:hat:

 

[Chippy_Tea]

No wonder there’s a massive queue at Dover for people who want to leave Britain!

Joking aside on 5 live the people phoning in are saying there has always been border control at France and all they are doing is giving us a bloody nose for leaving the EU, if the had all the officials needed this wouldn't be an issue.

Also there was a big crash on Friday which caused caos but that conveniently hasn't got much of a mention in the news.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Nadine Dorries hits out at Sunak's pricey suit - but it emerges she has £6,000 diamond earrings​

Other Conservative MPs have grown fed up of the "blue on blue" infighting during the leadership campaign and said the cattiness was embarrassing after Ms Dorries said Liz Truss was wearing £4.50 earrings from budget chain Claire's Accessories.

Culture Secretary Nadine Dorries has been criticised for hitting out at Rishi Sunak's expensive suit after interviews resurfaced where she admitted spending thousands on jewellery and clothes.

Ms Dorries tweeted that Liz Truss, who she is supporting to be Tory leader, will be travelling the UK wearing £4.50 earrings from budget jewellery chain Claire's Accessories while Rishi Sunak wore a Henry Herbert suit in Teesside worth £3,500 and £450 Prada shoes.

But other MPs and members of the public were unimpressed with her sniping, with Tory Guildford MP Angela Richardson tweeting: "FFS Nadine! Muted."

Cabinet Office minister Johnny Mercer said the "puerile nature" of the leadership contest was embarrassing and it was "time to raise standards".

Members of the public said they did not care how much the candidates spent on their clothes, they just wanted good policies and have had enough with the personal mudslinging.

Interviews with Ms Dorries, who is also a novelist, quickly resurfaced, including one in The Guardian in 2007 when she admitted to owning £6,000 diamond earrings.

"I will wear cheaper clothes but there are things I will not compromise on, like my £6,000 diamond earrings," she said.

And in another interview with the Daily Express in 2017, she described doing two big clothes shops a year where she "probably spends over £1,000".

Asked what the most expensive item in her wardrobe was, Ms Dorries said: "Probably some of my jewellery. I don't skimp on jewellery. I've designed some pieces myself at a bespoke jeweller. I saw some items in the window but I wanted them to look slightly different."

Ms Dorries was also asked how much she spent on clothes each month.

She replied: "I buy clothes at the start of each season, rather than monthly, so I do two big hits a year where I probably spend over £1,000. I buy almost everything on the internet, though.

"You need to buy clothes at the beginning of the season when they start coming into store."

Ms Dorries also revealed she had 20 to 30 pairs of heels all by Stuart Weitzman for Russell and Bromley.

https://news.sky.com/story/nadine-d...merges-she-has-6000-diamond-earrings-12658899