Just stop oil

[MrJay83]

I watched a certain scene more than a few times when I was a young lad

 

[Rodcx500z]

Why are they pushing this electric nonsense like there is no tomorrow, while the likes of India and China carry on burning fossil fuels, it is not us who is driving climate change we contribute less than 2% of the global total, i will stick with thoughts electrification is the wrong way they know this but so much money is invested in it by the big players the sensible answer hydrogen will lose out just like betamax did to vhs

 

[JockyBrewer]

yup this is exactly what I think will happen and thought this for a long while.. car ownership will drop hugely as "robotaxi's" flood the country when we have the infrastructure to support level 5 self-driving cars. not sure it'll be in my lifetime though, and as often seen, it may will be the young that are more open to change like not owning a car as they never experienced it so it'll be a gradual shift to self-driving taxis using whatever engine tech wins through.

I think there’s a good chance of it happening in the next 20 years. I actually wonder if it’ll happen in the next 10 years in some cities, as there’s a lot to gain from doing so.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Some of you lot have been watching "Total Recall" too much.
Look what happened to Johnnie Cabs

 

[evil.soup]

There is so much chat about cars and electrification being the big solution, but it's a very flawed concept.
Electric cars are a long way from eco friendly, they cost the earth more to create and of course run on fossil powered electricity. Research suggests that the average electric car has to travel over 70,000 miles before it breaks even on CO2 production. After this they truly are carbon neutral, but there are other issues. They are heavy, very heavy, and this increases road damage, plus of course increased tyre and brake particles.
There is of course also the issue of electric cars being extremely expensive to repair, if the battery is even slightly damaged, this tends to lead to a total write off.
Now before I get barked at, I am not against electric cars, I would happily own one as a second car. I would imagine they are a very nice place to be for the work commute. However, I don't think they are a solution to the problem of climate change as all the politicians will have you believe.
Cars and drivers are a very good source of income and a very easy target. Big CO2 producing businesses on the other hand are not so easy to deal with, mainly because they have so much money and influence.

 

[Benfleet Brewery]

Third time I’ve posted this now, but,

To put everything into perspective, there are over 50,000 merchant ship in our oceans, the 16 biggest of these produce more CO2 emissions and the biggest 17 more sulphur emissions than all the worlds petrol and diesel cars!
A single seagoing container ship is as polluting as 50 million ICE cars.

 

[dad_of_jon]

Third time I’ve posted this now, but,

To put everything into perspective, there are over 50,000 merchant ship in our oceans, the 16 biggest of these produce more CO2 emissions and the biggest 17 more sulphur emissions than all the worlds petrol and diesel cars!
A single seagoing container ship is as polluting as 50 million ICE cars.

I want to like the fact that it shows where the 'unspoken' pollution is occuring but its easier to target the motorist. If there is a crackdown on those behemoths then add 20% (just a finger in the air calc) onto all our costs because as we are not self sufficient as a nation the end user will be paying (yet again) for the cleanup.

once you've squeezed all the juice out of the motorist (easy target) you need to tackle the more difficult problems. Now 30,000 (please see link below) trucks would deliver an awesome amounts of food and other provisions to a population. So large cruise ships would appear to be a gross disregard of our attempts to progress to sustainable consumption. This is only the start of a number of major cities/tourist destinations banning these earth eaters.

The other key reason for removing cruise ships is to lower air pollution levels in Amsterdam. A 2021 study of one big cruise ship found that it had produced the same levels of nitrogen oxides (NOx) in one day as 30,000 trucks.

 

[Bjorn Toulouse]

Before the pandemic I had a knee injury that meant I had to work from home, Then the pandemic hit. Since 2018 my wee car has covered just 6250 miles as opposed to 9000 a year. Working from home and local services would make a big difference to the air quality. Glasgow has introduced an LEZ. I don't think I will ever go back into the city centre again.... Unless its on my two stroke 1983 Vespa PX200 which is exempt.

 

[Rodcx500z]

Unless its on my two stroke 1983 Vespa PX200 which is exempt.

2 stroke the most polluting engine on the planet, i know it's only 200cc but still an oil burner, (great little run round) laughable how it is exempt

 

[Bjorn Toulouse]

Love the smell of 2 stroke in the morning! SNP council know nothing, Just chase the headlines.

 

[Jim Brewster]

I saw a clip where a couple of them were considered letting a Tesla car through their rolling road block - yeah, because no oil is used in the manufacture of a Tesla

Been a few cases of people lashing out at them when they've been blocking roads and one recently where there was a car accident on the other side and the driver pushed one of them over and kicked them on the ground

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Love the smell of 2 stroke in the morning! SNP council know nothing, Just chase the headlines.

Castrol R two stroke oil I believe gave that great smell

 

[Benfleet Brewery]

2 stroke the most polluting engine on the planet, i know it's only 200cc but still an oil burner, (great little run round) laughable how it is exempt

This is one example that proves the use of taxes or charges as a means of reducing pollution is a farce. Something with probably one of the most polluting engines exempt! My daughter had to pay £12.50 on Saturday as she entered the ULEX zone in her 1.4l Diesel Fiesta whilst getting onto the M11 in Essex. She was in the zone for less than a minute. And yet, someone can drive around in the zone all day in a 3l Petrol Jag and be exempt!

 

[JockyBrewer]

Third time I’ve posted this now, but,

To put everything into perspective, there are over 50,000 merchant ship in our oceans, the 16 biggest of these produce more CO2 emissions and the biggest 17 more sulphur emissions than all the worlds petrol and diesel cars!
A single seagoing container ship is as polluting as 50 million ICE cars.

Something didn't feel right about his claim, so I looked into it, and it seems like a partial truth.

This claim came into life in 2009, and was in relation to sulphur emissions only, not CO2.

At the time, sulphur emissions were higher for maritime fleet than road transport, as fuel for road vehicles was almost globally low sulphur content. The International Maritime Organisation has mandated a reduction in sulphur in ship fuel since 2020 which has possibly reversed this.

CO2 emissions were never lower for road transport than shipping. Per tonne of cargo, a container ship is by far the cleanest and most efficient method of shipping.

 

[lancon]

Proper public transport is the only way forward, not ev/hydrogen personal carriers

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Proper public transport is the only way forward, not ev/hydrogen personal carriers

That is not going to work in rural areas.

 

[jof]

It's also not going to work where house prices mean people can't afford to live close to their workplace.
Based on a 30 minute commute, we could live less than 4/5 miles away we could all use electric bikes/trikes (surely a much more efficient use of limited number of batteries).

 

[aolcot]

Would absolutely love to see a proper public transport system here in Milton Keynes, but I can't see it happening in the city built for the car with everything so spread out and good trunk roads between each estate. Bus journeys at the moment often require a change to get anywhere that isn't CMK. And when they only run like twice per hour, you can see why the car rules the roost here.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Based on a 30 minute commute, we could live less than 4/5 miles away we could all use electric bikes/trikes (surely a much more efficient use of limited number of batteries).

I wouldn't want to charge one of those overnight while the family is asleep, reports of battery fires seem to be on the increase.

 

[lancon]

That is not going to work in rural areas.

Do you mean areas where people have opted to live miles away from work to live the country style?