John Venables released again!!

[BarnsleyBrewer]

You forgot to answer the other bit about it perhaps being your son/daughter/relative Barnsley Brewer??

It's easy Mark... A law should be in place to deal with certain crimes.. The rape, torture then killing of any child should be punishable by death... If it were any of my family or god forbid my own children that did it in a way that they tortured/killed Jamie it would still stand....

BB

 

[hypnoticmonkey]

The death penalty won't make the situation any better though it would save the taxpayer money.

Common fallacy.

Although I would NEVER countenance supporting the death penalty, IF one has it, one has to make sure ALL reasonable steps are taking to ensure you're not killing an innocent person. The legal processes in doing all of this cost more than locking someone up for life, believe it or not.

Unless you just want to summarily execute people without being confident, the death penalty is more expensive than imprisonment.

 

[graysalchemy]

The death penalty won't make the situation any better though it would save the taxpayer money.

Common fallacy.

Although I would NEVER countenance supporting the death penalty, IF one has it, one has to make sure ALL reasonable steps are taking to ensure you're not killing an innocent person. The legal processes in doing all of this cost more than locking someone up for life, believe it or not.

Unless you just want to summarily execute people without being confident, the death penalty is more expensive than imprisonment.

I realise that, my answer was tongue in cheek

 

[markmark]

You forgot to answer the other bit about it perhaps being your son/daughter/relative Barnsley Brewer??

It's easy Mark... A law should be in place to deal with certain crimes.. The rape, torture then killing of any child should be punishable by death... If it were any of my family or god forbid my own children that did it in a way that they tortured/killed Jamie it would still stand....

BB

I can sort of understand where you are coming from; but I nevertheless find that attitude.....well, a bit sad really. Simplistic and dangerous. Our own flesh and blood??

 

[BarnsleyBrewer]

You forgot to answer the other bit about it perhaps being your son/daughter/relative Barnsley Brewer??

It's easy Mark... A law should be in place to deal with certain crimes.. The rape, torture then killing of any child should be punishable by death... If it were any of my family or god forbid my own children that did it in a way that they tortured/killed Jamie it would still stand....

BB

I can sort of understand where you are coming from; but I nevertheless find that attitude.....well, a bit sad really. Simplistic and dangerous. Our own flesh and blood??

Now about Mark Bridger that killed April Jones??? In a sexually motivated attack he then chopped up her body and tried to burn it in stove in the living room..How would you punish him??
If the death penalty isn't an option maybe he should be locked in a room with her family members so they could have a little word in his ear.

I respect what your saying Mark but evil must be eradicated by any means available!!

BB

 

[Aleman]

I respect what your saying Mark but evil must be eradicated by any means available!!

That is precisely the thinking behind all radical groups :cry: :cry: :cry:

 

[pittsy]

I would opt for hanging but that ain't gonna happen but i would wish they at least had the chop (balls) so at least the urge is removed . There was a case where a convicted phedo pleaded for them to castrate him (he had urges but was very ashamed of himself) and they refused , well he offended again and this time he castrated himself and since then he claims not to have any urges (that he couldn't control ) .
So a little ones life ruined or taken , is it that much to ask that castration be done ? After all we wouldn't want that person to become a parent would we !!

 

[Jeltz]

When they killed the toddler they were 10, it was established that they knew the difference between right and wrong but at that age you are still establishing boundaries, consequences and so on.

I can't understand what led to their actions but equally having been convicted at 11 years old I can't see that hanging children would have been the solution of a civilised nation.

 

[graysalchemy]

Well said Nic. :clap: :clap:

 

[pittsy]

True , true but when he was convicted of child porn etc ....off with the balls i say

 

[graysalchemy]

It appears BB you are judging the adult that he became and not the child that he was when the crimes were committed.

They were only 10 when these crimes were committed and yes the prosecution successfully rebutted the principle of doli incapax. However how had they been shaped by society and their upbringing to make them, two 10 year old boys, capable of one of the most heinous crimes committed by a child against a child we have ever seen?

If it were any of my family or god forbid my own children that did it in a way that they tortured/killed Jamie it would still stand....

BB

Wouldn't you be thinking what have I done to this child to make him carry out such a crime?

I know I would.

 

[Jeltz]

True , true but when he was convicted of child porn etc ....off with the balls i say

Just like Football Hooligans

 

[markmark]

I respect what your saying Mark but evil must be eradicated by any means available!!

That is precisely the thinking behind all radical groups :cry: :cry: :cry:

This is partly what I'm getting at really, I can't as a human being get my head round things like this.......eradicated by any means!! That sounds like somthing from Mein Kampf
I don't know what motivates children or people to do bad, wrong and evil and I don't really know what the solution is should one commit something so truly terrible.
There should be some sort of reparations made to society/victims and the public have a right to be protected.........but how to achieve that??

All this talk of hangings and suchlike; it makes me feel kind of ashamed......we are better than that, surely??

Well said graysalchemy :clap:
That's what I'm wondering too......what did society do (or not so as the case may be) that influenced those two boys to such a degree that they did such a thing?

 

[pittsy]

True , true but when he was convicted of child porn etc ....off with the balls i say

Just like Football Hooligans

lol Mel knew what to do

 

[Dronfieldbrewer]

spot of far east prison would do the trick....ever watched Midnight Express?

 

[Pjam]

Hear hear Markmark

+1

What to do though? Not that it should make a difference in deciding but it costs about £140,000 a year to keep someone inside!

 

[dennisking]

spot of far east prison would do the trick....ever watched Midnight Express?

Or devils Island, if you haven't read it read the book Papillon, the film does not portray how rough it was.

 

[Cononthebarber]

We do seem to be getting more and more of these threads which decend into something akin to a mob shaking pitchforks.

Why on earth do people suppose that capital punishment actually achieves any results? The USA has a really high murder rate per capita and over 50% of their states has the death penalty...this tells me that having the death penalty doesnt actually reduce violent crimes. It really just amounts to some petty revenge killing as pay back for someones crime. Yes some people commit the most horrific crimes against others and they don't deserve to walk free but I don't think (as an allegedly civilised society) we should just kill them!

The idea of a prison island isn't bad though...find a remote island, secure it so that noone gets on or off and then just airdrop in all those who commit the most heinous crimes? A weekly supply drop would suffice and leave them to sort themselves out? You never know some of them might actually like it there? And the rest of society can get on with things knowing that they're not a threat anymore...?

 

[BigYin]

I respect what your saying Mark but evil must be eradicated by any means available!!

That is precisely the thinking behind all radical groups :cry: :cry: :cry:

Well, maybe, apart from the "we respect what you're saying"

 

[BarnsleyBrewer]

The idea of a prison island isn't bad though...find a remote island, secure it so that noone gets on or off and then just airdrop in all those who commit the most heinous crimes? A weekly supply drop would suffice and leave them to sort themselves out? You never know some of them might actually like it there? And the rest of society can get on with things knowing that they're not a threat anymore...?

I'll go with this idea, you'd get my vote ;-)

BB