And humans breed with apes all the time (i.e. other humans) but assuming you mean non-human apes then you have also seriously misunderstood the theory of evolution by natural selection. In what way does it require humans to breed with any non-human species?
Isn't the beeb meant to be an organisation promoting the religion of climate change?
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MyQul
Chairman of the Bored
there are too many people on the planet and the continuous growth capitalist model the west has can only have one conclusion, that we use up all of the earths resources. :-(
unless we introduce birth controls, give up continuous growth model, colonise space or a combination of all 3 we're doomed, doomed I tell ya. wars over resources may slow down the population growth a bit but surely the better way is birth control
as for global warming the earth goes though warmer and cooler period over timescales longer than politicians care about so how could climate change be addressed? regardless of whether you believe humans are severely impacting on it or not?
I kinda think elon musk and jeff bezios have some good ideas for humanity's future so my next car will be a tesla and my next on-line order will be with amazon :p
I think you have missed the more obvious (and in my opinion quite likey) 'solution', a massive unstoppable pandamic. Middle ages black death syle :twisted:
I don't really understand why some Christians are so against evolution? Is it really just because it goes against the story of Genesis?
Saisonator
Landlord.
It's the fundamentalist mind set.
I don't see why Christians can't believe that God lit the fuse at the beginning and let nature take it's course, maybe keeping an eye over things as they went. A good number of vicars and priests think this way.
I find it hard to believe in anything strongly enough to not allow for alternative ideas to be considered possible.
Aliens, don't believe in them but believe they could exist.
God, don't believe organised religions but believe He/She/It could exist.
Climate change, believe in it, but also believe it could be our fault, it could not.
The list could go on. I don't see how people can completely disregard things as who knows what science/humans will discover and prove in the future.
MyQul
Chairman of the Bored
They're not really disregarding things, but more wanting to have a sense of certainty in an uncertain world. Certainty brings comfort.
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Surely everyone should accept and embrace the fact that nothing is certain in life.
Deep for a friday morning. :ugeek:
Saisonator
Landlord.
I can appreciate this but I don't think personally I am capable in believing in something that goes against science and logic, just to make my day to day life more comfortable.
The self delusion would weigh on me heavier than the comfort I would receive believing someone is watching over me.
MyQul
Chairman of the Bored
With all due respect, that's just you though isnt it? People can have an infinate capacity for self delusion. Despite all those adverts to the contrary (and social media bollards), all most people crave if comfort of some kind. I bet you do too but not of the sort that means your deluding yourself?
Saisonator
Landlord.
I guess you are right.
We all gravitate towards information that confirms beliefs, maybe shared beliefs puts us in groups and our tribal instincts means we get comfort from being in groups.
VW911
Landlord.
I bred with a few apes in my younger days....
'They' are probably working on it right now! Meanwhile, pneumonic plague is, er, plaguing parts of Africa again. Never went away - outbreaks are still common but brought quickly under control by antibiotics that Middle Ages folk couldn't imagine. Wonder if Yersinia Pestis evolved or just miraculously appeared?
Hell, it's one of the things we do best as a species. We are very, very good at convincing ourselves that ideas that are comforting or convenient are in fact true.
geigercntr
Miembro senior
That's very true, from young earth creationists, to voodoo practitioners, to particle physicists, to hippies with rooms full of crystals. That's the importance of the scientific method and strong inference: it makes us interrogate our hypotheses. "My data suggest X. That fits with my model Y. What needs to be done to disprove it?"
When done properly, it also makes us show our working. Again, peer review ain't perfect, but its a system that works. Conspiracy folk like to imagine all scientists conniving to promote some controversial theory. That would be akin to herding cats. The way academics secure funding/jobs/reputation is through out competing colleagues. Its basically a friendly war. So if there's a controversial theory bouncing around, it will be tested with great vigour. Who ever disproves that theory gets the kudos for the kill
MyQul
Chairman of the Bored
That's very true, from young earth creationists, to voodoo practitioners, to particle physicists, to hippies with rooms full of crystals. That's the importance of the scientific method and strong inference: it makes us interrogate our hypotheses. "My data suggest X. That fits with my model Y. What needs to be done to disprove it?"
When done properly, it also makes us show our working. Again, peer review ain't perfect, but its a system that works. Conspiracy folk like to imagine all scientists conniving to promote some controversial theory. That would be akin to herding cats. The way academics secure funding/jobs/reputation is through out competing colleagues. Its basically a friendly war. So if there's a controversial theory bouncing around, it will be tested with great vigour. Who ever disproves that theory gets the kudos for the kill
Nice insight, not being from a scientific background myself. You?
geigercntr
Miembro senior
Yeah, a bit anyways. Done about 8 years at undergrad & postgraduate and currently a jobbing scientist type, so know a bit about how academic gubbins works... Or @ least I've been stood on the edge looking in for a long enough while to get a feel for the game
Sounds suspiciously like those" new "management techniques that come out and the managers who couldn't run a bath or can't think for themselves are utterly convinced it's fantastic and is the greatest thing in the world.....then it doesn't work because we tried it 5,10,15 years ago when they were still in school and it didn't work then...then they blame everyone else..
Exactly like that at our works. When the penny drops that 'it' doesn't work, the old way of doing things is stealthily re-introduced, then they take the credit for that, too. They truly could not manage a pint and I sometimes wonder how they negotiate every new day without being accompanied by a responsible adult. When the climate-change crapola bites the dust, as it surely will, they will be wheeling out their cop-out clauses and excuses which they'll have meticulously prepared years ago. Secretly, they'll be wishing for about a dozen Pinatubo-style volcanoes to go off simultaneously, before retreating to obscurity and a new life stacking shelves for Aldi.
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Get sent on hoisting /lifting course.
Return to workplace someone points our chains aren't rated and angles are wrong.
Equipment weigh 500 kg can't be moved.
Much head scratching and ummingandarring from management.
Told..yeah technically it is dangerous and illegal but it'll be alright.
They were told. ..you do it then.
It wasn't moved until it was modified. .
They did come up with the much applauded idea...to leave it there. ...
Get sent on hoisting /lifting course.
Return to workplace someone points our chains aren't rated and angles are wrong.
Equipment weigh 500 kg can't be moved.
Much head scratching and ummingandarring from management.
Told..yeah technically it is dangerous and illegal but it'll be alright.
They were told. ..you do it then.
It wasn't moved until it was modified. .
They did come up with the much applauded idea...to leave it there. ...
@geigercntr Absolutely, and sometimes it's not even that friendly. Creationists have convinced themselves that scientists are part of a sinister liberal cabal that wants to force people to believe in evolution, for some reason that is never actually made clear. They've done so because it's convenient- it allows them to maintain their beliefs in the face of mountains of opposing evidence.
In reality the only way to get your hypothesis promoted to theory is to convince a large number of very intelligent and well educated people, many of whom want to see you fail, that you are in fact correct, and sit back and weather storm as they all go out and actively try to prove you're not. Evolution is accepted by scientists because the evidence supports it, and taught in schools for the same reason.
In reality the only way to get your hypothesis promoted to theory is to convince a large number of very intelligent and well educated people, many of whom want to see you fail, that you are in fact correct, and sit back and weather storm as they all go out and actively try to prove you're not. Evolution is accepted by scientists because the evidence supports it, and taught in schools for the same reason.
