Is this going to be the end of the orange man?

[Chippy_Tea]

Maybe those with genuine intelligence aren't stupid enough to want the job?

That is a good point if Clinton, trump and now Biden are the best of the bunch that is a worry.

 

[Brew_DD2]

Clinton was a smart guy. His issues were in his pants.

 

[Cwrw666]

Attacking your rivals personally is how they do politics in the US.

I know that but all the legal action against Trump has been totally over the top.

 

[Paul Roberts]

Even if Trump loses, its not the end. He won't go quietly with grace and dignity. He will scorch earth everything to have last word

 

[Cheshire Cat]

The US model of politics is totally f**ked and I don't know why we are so obsessed with reporting it. The danger is that our system is moving the same way.

 

[trueblue]

Even if Trump loses, its not the end. He won't go quietly with grace and dignity. He will scorch earth everything to have last word

Just hope they keep him away from the big red button.

 

[marshbrewer]

Latest pools I saw were 37/52 in Biden's favour so its increasingly looking like Trump is toast as I can't see him making back 15 points during a pandemic.

 

[Bernie]

We do not want a trade deal with Trumps USA which would dismantle the NHS. I do however think Trump will win. I think the pollsters will not sample Hicksville residents again.

The USA spends more than two and a half times Britain per capita on health care.

 

[MyQul]

The USA spends more than two and a half times Britain per capita on health care.

Mainly due to higher prices - higher drug prices, higher salaries for doctors and nurses, higher hospital administration costs and higher prices for many medical services.
The cost of a 100% privatised health care system. Lots of profits to be made in sick people

 

[Cheshire Cat]

The USA spends more than two and a half times Britain per capita on health care.

What point are you making? Do you want the NHS removed? About 5 million people per year are bankrupted by medical bills. How many just die of curable illnesses due to having no insurance.

 

[Bernie]

What point are you making? Do you want the NHS removed? About 5 million people per year are bankrupted by medical bills. How many just die of curable illnesses due to having no insurance.

The point is that our perception of the American health service is distorted. The poorest have free health care; Medicare/Obamacare liabilities are now 32 trillion dollars. The ones really punished are the lower middle class who had their insurance premiums increased to fund Obamacare. America is broke.
We spend 155 billion pounds in Britain on health care. How much should we spend 200 billion, 250, before it bankrupts us?

 

[Cheshire Cat]

The point is that our perception of the American health service is distorted. The poorest have free health care; Medicare/Obamacare liabilities are now 32 trillion dollars. The ones really punished are the lower middle class who had their insurance premiums increased to fund Obamacare. America is broke.
We spend 155 billion pounds in Britain on health care. How much should we spend 200 billion, 250, before it bankrupts us?

We should spend enough to make it a first class service. Use France and Germany as models and we won't go bust if we tax the dodgers and increase the higher rate of tax to fund it.

 

[MyQul]

The point is that our perception of the American health service is distorted. The poorest have free health care; Medicare/Obamacare liabilities are now 32 trillion dollars. The ones really punished are the lower middle class who had their insurance premiums increased to fund Obamacare. America is broke.
We spend 155 billion pounds in Britain on health care. How much should we spend 200 billion, 250, before it bankrupts us?

You make it sound like the poor in the US have an equivalent of a free at the point of entry NHS like we have here. Whilst I have no experience of the US system I certainly dont think this is the case

 

[marshbrewer]

You make it sound like the poor in the US have an equivalent of a free at the point of entry NHS like we have here. Whilst I have no experience of the US system I certainly dont think this is the case

Then you are wrong. I don't want to drag this off topic, but the 'poor' have always benefitted from Medicare / Medicaid and now Obamacare. It's the middle classes who gave been screwed over.

We should spend enough to make it a first class service. Use France and Germany as models

Controversial opinion - both systems that make massive use of private provision of public funded health, e.g. privatising the NHS. Interesting. Could work, can't see the Guardianistas going for it.

 

[AdeDunn]

I see the "let the poor die because the middle classes are suffering having to fund their care!" folks have arrived then. Yeah, this is why I didn't ask for access to the hidden forum, thought I could avoid reading such open jealousy of people with so little.

 

[marshbrewer]

Nobody, absolutely NOBODY on this thread said such things. Zero people. None.

I, and another, simply pointed out that the common myth that America's car crash health system leaves the poor without care is a misconception, it's actually the middle class / middle earners.

At no point did anyone say what you are suggesting. Get a grip.

 

[samale]

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Nobody, absolutely NOBODY on this thread said such things. Zero people. None.

I, and another, simply pointed out that the common myth that America's car crash health system leaves the poor without care is a misconception, it's actually the middle class / middle earners.

At no point did anyone say what you are suggesting. Get a grip.

Post edited no need for personal insults you know thats not how we do things here however strongly we feel.

 

[marshbrewer]

Post edited no need for personal insults you know thats not how we do things here however strongly we feel.

But he's free to make false accusations and claim people have said things they haven't and that isn't a personal insult?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

But he's free to make false accusations and claim people have said things they haven't and that isn't a personal insult?

Short answer no.