And how is Labour any different? Look what they did to my boy!
Is this going to be the end of the orange man?
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Old Geezer
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Sorry mate you've lost me what did they do to your boy.
And how is Labour any different? Look what that did to my boy!
Old Geezer
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You won't get any argument from me on that one. I'm a labour member have been most of my life and I fully supported Jeremy he is the sort of Labour leader that we needed however he was always going to be toxic to a certain proportion of the electorate unfairly in my opinion.
He was always going to be up against it from the right-wing media we have in this country but he should never have received the abuse that he got from his own party and MP's.
He was always going to be up against it from the right-wing media we have in this country but he should never have received the abuse that he got from his own party and MP's.
I liked Corbyn at first but he wasn't strong enough and by the end he took his own cross, ladder, hammer and nails to the top of the hill and his haters were more than happy to nail him to it.
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MyQul
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I am a labour supporter but only joined the party after Brexit because of Jeremy’s awful performance so I wanted to vote him out. Although I did warm to him he was unelectable and I did vote for Keir because he is electable.
Old Geezer
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Kier was my first choice to replace Jeremy as well we must win the next election and I feel he would possibly garner enough support to achieve that.
I remember my father going on a march with Jeremy Corbyn in support of the miner's strike I couldn't go as I was working.
I remember my father going on a march with Jeremy Corbyn in support of the miner's strike I couldn't go as I was working.
There was never a question among Republicans about 45*. They knew who he was. Aside from the numerous scandals in the 45* campaign--and for that campaign that benefited him, 45* lost the popular vote by 3M and only squeezed out a win because of the electoral college.
Prominent Senate Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, 2015:
"I want to talk to the Trump supporters for a minute. What is Donald Trump’s campaign about? He’s a race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot You know how you make America great again? Tell Donald Trump to go to hell."
Unfortunately, those qualities listed are appealing to a section of Americans.
Hello. What makes you think that? To most Americans, our relationships with our allies are of the utmost importance and which benefits all. We've cringed, collectively, at the way POTUS has treated our allies. 45* is an extreme isolationist.
As a disclaimer, I'm not particularly well-versed in politics other than playing catch-up these last four, painful years. So I may be missing some salient history on the subject.
The Republicans are doing their best to suppress the vote. They're currently flooding the system with lawsuits and attempting to neuter the US postal service. The lawsuits are all focused on voter suppression.
In any case, if 45* wins, we'll get what we deserve but it won't be pretty, on a global scale either.
that's not going to happen.
Our death rate is lower (and I'm glad it is low aside from any other thoughts) because we've dragged out the pandemic to an obscene degree. We've gotten better at combating it and the numbers are further skewed because of the demographics being affected (those not likely to die).
Basically, you got stuck with the initial pandemic numbers in terms of death rate because you controlled the virus.
Just for the average UK citizen. This is the propaganda from the minority. Each point is easily disproved and slanted.
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Actually the polling data suggests that the best predictors for winning elections are leader approval ratings and which party is most trusted with the economy. And to that extent, Starmer has made remarkable progress, he's been approaching Blair-in-1994/5 levels on the former, but the jury is still out on the latter. But those factors seem to be more reliable than what people say is their current voting intention.
Just on the health thing, the miracle is that the US spends twice as much as most civilised countries on healthcare, but the outcomes are lousy, well behind on things like life expectancy. The best in the US is terrific, but money doesn't get channeled to the places where it could do most good (and as we've seen, it struggles with things like a coordinated public health policy).
And don't forget that any trade deal has to get through Congress, it's not just in the hands of the President. In particular that means it could get held up if the Irish lobby in Congress isn't happy with progress on the Irish border.
Lying a bit less is a good start - and not breaking promises. I remember the lib dems getting rightly caned for the tuition fees capitulation just to get a whiff of power. That led me to conclude the main parties all have a similar set of morals.
He is, but the same pollsters / polls put the Conservatives ahead by quite a margin. So people seem to like Starmer but are not yet ready to trust Labour. However, if he (Starmer) can move away from the left and face down momentum etc, I suspect he could win the next election.
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Trump does not have what it takes to deal with the economy or covid so he'll be getting no help with his re-election from either one of those taking a turn for the better. Not to mention his racist handling of the BLM issue.
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