Heads Up - 25kg LME

[MyQul]

For all you extract brewers (or anyone that want's a life time supply for starters :lol:), GeB now stock 25kg jerry cans of LME for £70, so with the forum discount it's £67.50.

https://www.geterbrewed.com/liquid-malt-en/

 

[johnnyboy1965]

Thats a good deal...works out at about ��£8.00 per brew.
��£5.00 for your hops
��£2.00 yeast....
��£15.00 per 23li .... ish

37p per pint

 

[johnnyboy1965]

Not sure how long it will keep.

 

[johnnyboy1965]

Just worked it out...This is cheaper than doing a AG mash. No power to heat your strike water and your sparge water. Less time consuming.
I am thinking...measure out enough LME and water to get 23li with a OG of 1.040, add a few litres of water to allow for boil off/evaporation. bring to the boil....start hop schedule.....

 

[johnnyboy1965]

I use Beer Engine...it says 3kg of LME to make a wort of 1.040 (23li).
Can someone please check this using a different recipe calculator.
This has got me very interested

 

[MyQul]

Not sure how long it will keep.

I've never looked into it because I've never brewed extract but I'm sure their are ways and means for it to keep, else people wouldn't buy it

 

[MyQul]

I use Beer Engine...it says 3kg of LME to make a wort of 1.040 (23li).
Can someone please check this using a different recipe calculator.
This has got me very interested

Brewmate agrees

 

[johnnyboy1965]

I've never looked into it because I've never brewed extract but I'm sure their are ways and means for it to keep, else people wouldn't buy it

In theory, because it has so much sugar, it should keep for a long time, but, and it is a big but, it has all the ingerdients (for the want of a better word) for bacteria to grow.
I suppose you could break it down into 3kg blocks and freeze.
You need 1 x 3li plastic container....fill with LME and freeze. When frozen take out of container (drop in boiling water for a few seconds). Wrap in cling film and put it back into the freezer. Repeat until all is used. Maybe freeze a few 500g blocks, for adjusting the strength of a brew.
If I was at work, this is what I would do.

 

[MyQul]

In theory, because it has so much sugar, it should keep for a long time, but, and it is a big but, it has all the ingerdients (for the want of a better word) for bacteria to grow.
I suppose you could break it down into 3kg blocks and freeze.
You need 1 x 3li plastic container....fill with LME and freeze. When frozen take out of container (drop in boiling water for a few seconds). Wrap in cling film and put it back into the freezer. Repeat until all is used. Maybe freeze a few 500g blocks, for adjusting the strength of a brew.
If I was at work, this is what I would do.

This is what I do with 'real wort' starters. I sometimes take a litre of wort before I've pitched and put it in a zip lock bag and freeze it. When I want to use it I just melt it and boil it for 5 mins before chilling to pitching temp

 

[mcphail]

In the John Palmer book he insists fresh lme is as good as fresh wort, but blames older lme for the classic homebrew "tang". Presumably this will age quicker than lme in a tin can. Great value, though, particularly if there is a group of brewers who can get through it quickly.

 

[johnnyboy1965]

The same product is also available at MaltMiller for �£8.00 cheaper....Just saying
LME £7.44
Hops £5.00
Yeast £2.00

36p per pint

 

[Ciaran12s]

Is homebrew twang connected to LME when used to make up a wort boil for an hour? Or is it more when it's prehopped in a can that the twang comes through?

Seems like a lot of relatively easy and cheap beer with a nice food safe drum at the end of it!

 

[johnnyboy1965]

Ive never used LME, so I cant comment on the HB Twang. But in theory it shouldnt.
The process of making LME is exactly the same as doing a full AG mash and then boiling the **** out of it until you get a "Syrup".
Does this effect the taste?...no idea.
I dont think it can

 

[johnnyboy1965]

Is homebrew twang connected to LME when used to make up a wort boil for an hour? Or is it more when it's prehopped in a can that the twang comes through?

Seems like a lot of relatively easy and cheap beer with a nice food safe drum at the end of it!

The HB Twang has never been fully documented/researched...well yes it has, but there are no difintive answers.
JMHO...the yeast is not compatible with the sugars in the wort

 

[Sandimas]

I do a fair bit of Extract brewing and I've only ever had the twang with LME not DME/spraymalt, so I tend to use the dried stuff these days. I didn't get it every time and some brands were worse than others, so I guess it could be down to age.

 

[Godsdog]

The same product is also available at MaltMiller for �£8.00 cheaper....Just saying
LME £7.44
Hops £5.00
Yeast £2.00

36p per pint

Buy your yeasts in multiple packs of mix and match fives from CML and even including postage they are easily less than a quid a 10gram satchet and bloody good yeast too

 

[johnnyboy1965]

Buy your yeasts in multiple packs of mix and match fives from CML and even including postage they are easily less than a quid a 10gram satchet and bloody good yeast too

Buy yeast...I havent bought yeast for about 3 years...sorry thats a lie...Ive got 1 pkt of so4 and 1 pkt of wb06 as a stand by emergency.
Im still using a WLP 004, that has got to be 10 gens old

 

[Godsdog]

Buy yeast...I havent bought yeast for about 3 years...sorry thats a lie...Ive got 1 pkt of so4 and 1 pkt of wb06 as a stand by emergency.
Im still using a WLP 004, that has got to be 10 gens old

But you were quoting yeast prices 65. I was just giving a cheaper alternative

 

[druid]

Im no expert by a long shot, but as an extract brewer, the only time I got the "twang" was when I used the tin recipe and used a Kilo of sugar instead of backing the can up with DME or LME.. Learned that here...

 

[Covrich]

Not sure how this would be cheaper than AG?

25KG grain bag of pale malt you can get for £20 give or take a few quid without forum discount, you can get about 6 1040 brews.

Lets say thats £3.50. Speciality grains would be used in both so no difference there. Depending on your style you can account for some heating charges.. I personally do full volume BIAB.. I would probably still do a large volume extract.. I think it is much better for it than smaller brews and 505 dilution.

You could save time doing this but I think you would have to consider storage for this. I am very much in the camp for LME giving diminishing returns as it "stales".. So you would perhaps need to take up large freezer space..

For full time extract brewers or people who get through a lot or want quicker easier brewing I can see this a good option and a great deal extract isn't cheap this would make a fair bit of saving.