Grain prices creeping up.

[Cheshire Cat]

Managed to pick this up earlier from a local brewery £30-00 and bought these as well View attachment 82003View attachment 82004

Wigan that’s good as we visit there to buy stuff at Bargain Brands. Do Hophurst sell 25kg to the public or just you.

 

[Rodcx500z]

I asked how much it had gone up, he said roughly £8-00 a sack, i to believe everybody is being taken for a ride

 

[Rodcx500z]

Wigan that’s good as we visit there to buy stuff at Bargain Brands. Do Hophurst sell 25kg to the public or just you.

not a clue i just called in on the off chance, it is part of the Wigan enterprise scheme so i would say no they don't sell to the public

 

[user 4749]

Did the South Cheshire Group ever get the prices or 2023 it would be interesting to seen them

 

[BrewsWayne]

Here are the most recent prices for wholesale in the US Market

 

[LeeH]

Cannot see it clearly unfortunately..

 

[Braumeister]

Cannot see it clearly unfortunately..

If my maths is right it’s $38.50/£32.00 for a 25kg bag of 2-row. Might be some state tax to add on top of that though? Still sounds quite cheap.

 

[Leon103]

Obviously a very fluid market at present, prices seem to change daily

Shouldn't do. Prices set once a year.

 

[Leon103]

I'm still convinced that somebody, somewhere along the line (and I suspect it's either the grain suppliers or the malsters) are trousering a pretty penny. Even so, some homebrew suppliers are showing increases well north of £7.50 a sack and I wonder why?
I suspect that price fixing for grain is based on a similar racket cartel system that fixes the price of electricity, whereby the most economical producers have to charge the same as the most expensive producer and money just falls into their laps. @the baron has got the measure of things and I won't repeat it all here, but let's be very sure that we, the brewers and the retailers are being fleeced, shafted, taken for a bunch of Dane kings, etc etc, while some here only want to make excuses for the poor darlings. But they've got us by the short and curlies unless we all decide to grow our own and how many of us can do that?

Say the brewery and homebrew shop are paying the same price. The brewery will make beer to make a profit, the homebrew shop will need to sell for a higher price than they paid so they can make a profit. Simple. Don't understand why people begrudge companies making a profit.

 

[Leon103]

Did the South Cheshire Group ever get the prices or 2023 it would be interesting to seen them

They have stopped doing it. Don't think suppliers will do business with them, or something like that.

 

[Rodcx500z]

Maybe not enough profit in it for Crisps, just a thought

 

[Sadfield]

I would suspect that the maltsters would be wanting sufficient evidence of where a pallet of malt is actually going. So as not to be implicated in anything illegal or tax avoiding. Perhaps too many hoops to make a cooperative workable. Which is something that might add to the running costs of a homebrew retailer.

 

[samale]

Say the brewery and homebrew shop are paying the same price. The brewery will make beer to make a profit, the homebrew shop will need to sell for a higher price than they paid so they can make a profit. Simple. Don't understand why people begrudge companies making a profit.

Just like the prime drinks doing the rounds

 

[Branny]

Managed to pick this up earlier from a local brewery £30-00 and bought these as well View attachment 82003View attachment 82004

Reet near wer ust liv. Al aft go next wik when go mi mams.

 

[Donegal john]

I just picked up 25kg of digmans Maris otter and 25kg of Belgian pilsner from my local micro brewery for £65
He said he is feeling the pinch with an electric bill of £1000 a month and the increase in grain hitting him hard at the min.
So much so he is closing his brewery and moving to cheaper premises and splitting brewing with a local hotel (he is also the head brewer for the hotel) to save money to continue trading. At least he has the opportunity to do it .

 

[Branny]

I asked how much it had gone up, he said roughly £8-00 a sack, i to believe everybody is being taken for a ride

Sack being 25Kg? If so, 32p a Kilo? % wise that's still a huge increase for them.

Edit - hopefully correct maths but a disclaimer of I only got a GCSE C and I have had a fair few pints already.

 

[LeeH]

Say the brewery and homebrew shop are paying the same price. The brewery will make beer to make a profit, the homebrew shop will need to sell for a higher price than they paid so they can make a profit. Simple. Don't understand why people begrudge companies making a profit.

Nobody does. But the increase in cost to the end user does not track the wholesale costs.

This has been made pretty clear on this thread.

 

[The Baron]

Yes I know grains prices have gone up and we have to pay it but as explained they are charging well over the actual price increase and ripping Home brewers off simples

 

[Donegal john]

Yes I know grains prices have gone up and we have to pay it but as explained they are charging well over the actual price increase and ripping Home brewers off simples

Indeed. I priced the same grain that I got from the micro brewery direct and it was coming in at £92 without delivery. I paid £65 to him.

 

[Leon103]

Perhaps its the HBS trying to cover soaring costs of running a business or expected increase of costs throughout the year. We have a few supporting sponsors that post regularly so perhaps they can post.

But I doubt they are doing it to rip people off. Most seem to be running their business for the love of the hobby over making millions. None of us know their associated costs so its not fair to judge. Don't forget we have a choice.