Graham Wheelers New Book

[godfrey]

after reading PD's thread on Black Sheep, viewtopic.php?f=36&t=44846

I went looking for GW's book

he has many, see here :-
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Drinks-Beverage ... %20Wheeler

I am guessing PD was referencing the British Ale book,

I think I am leaning towards getting the new book, although it has less recipes, but more beer styles
and double the number of pages...

so now I am confused, and would love if someone has his contact details,
to find out the differences in the 2009 and the 2013 editions

Brew Your Own British Real Ale (Camra) by Graham Wheeler (14 Jan 2009)
CAMRA's Complete Home Brewing by Graham Wheeler (21 Dec 2013)

I am pretty sure I will get the new one, but, what will I be missing by not having the old one
certainly it has less recipes, and then even less british ale recipes.... ???

 

[Aleman]

CAMRAS complete homebrewing is a brewing 'text book' (for homebrewers) . . . and it is CAMRA that continue to issue publication dates for it . . .despite the fact that Graham has told them it won't be ready and he had a stroke last year . . . recovering now though. Don't hold your breath for that one.

BYOBRA is a recipe book . . . It does have some brewing theory but it is primarily a recipe book . . . Damn good one too

 

[godfrey]

thanks, I wish graham a speedy recovery

I think I will get the 2009 book, and hope the new one will hit the shelves eventually

 

[PD]

the one I have is Brew your own British Real Ale, 3rd edition

 

[godfrey]

thanks PD :-)

now I have permission to brew all year round, not just in the summer when the family stay with parents, I am thinking to start with some beer as well as the wine I already make :-)

this will make a fine addition to my book collection

I think I will put the other book on preorder
as I see this is a completely new book
I love my ale more than any other beer
but I am curious about the other 30 styles of beer in the new book

 

[PD]

( spanner in the works..... )
If you can grab a copy of Clone brews by Tess and Mark Szamatlski.
over 200 commercial beers listed from all over the World

 

[mattrickl06]

( spanner in the works..... )
If you can grab a copy of Clone brews by Tess and Mark Szamatlski.
over 200 commercial beers listed from all over the World

I second that - this is an excellent recipe book, best I have seen by far!!

 

[Aleman]

( spanner in the works..... )
If you can grab a copy of Clone brews by Tess and Mark Szamatlski.
over 200 commercial beers listed from all over the World

I second that - this is an excellent recipe book, best I have seen by far!!

:hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:

 

[Runwell-Steve]

( spanner in the works..... )
If you can grab a copy of Clone brews by Tess and Mark Szamatlski.
over 200 commercial beers listed from all over the World

I second that - this is an excellent recipe book, best I have seen by far!!

:hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:

I like Clone Brews as well, I often use it as a point of reference.

 

[morethanworts]

I've been thinking about books... I'm thinking I need to get the Yeast book by White and Jamil before any others. I suspect my yeast handling (and storage, for economical reuse) is the thing that needs to improve most at the moment. If I get that wrong, the exact recipes in clone books may be irrelevant! I had Dave Line's back in the 90s (still on the shelf now) and I realise now that my wider skills/knowledge needed to be far closer to how they're getting today to have a hope of getting anywhere near a particular commercial beer. [That said, my second Old P attempt produced a very good ale.]

 

[dennisking]

thanks, I wish graham a speedy recovery

I think I will get the 2009 book, and hope the new one will hit the shelves eventually

The question of the new book has been put to Graham and I believe he has stated it's not going to happen, and that was before his illness. I think he had a big fall out with CAMRA over both the books.
As for the clone beers book personally I don't think it's in the same league.

 

[PD]

well some of the names are a giggle
Youngs Dirty Dick Ale,Scotch Silly,Moose Drool,Chicken Killer Barley Wine and Elephant Malt Liquor to name a few.

 

[PD]

then theres Mark Ollosson's Real Ale for Home Brewers....and.....

well Christmas is approaching

 

[Rhys]

thanks, I wish graham a speedy recovery

I think I will get the 2009 book, and hope the new one will hit the shelves eventually

The question of the new book has been put to Graham and I believe he has stated it's not going to happen, and that was before his illness. I think he had a big fall out with CAMRA over both the books.
As for the clone beers book personally I don't think it's in the same league.

If that's true Amazon are going to have to do a lot of refunds, publication supposed to be. 21 December 2013.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Drinks-Beverage ... %20Wheeler

 

[BIGJIM72]

The 2nd edition is well worth a punt for the price here

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1852 ... e=&seller=

the used edition for 70p + £2.80 P&P is a bargain. There are a few nice brews in there that got dropped for the 3rd edition.

 

[dennisking]

thanks, I wish graham a speedy recovery

I think I will get the 2009 book, and hope the new one will hit the shelves eventually

The question of the new book has been put to Graham and I believe he has stated it's not going to happen, and that was before his illness. I think he had a big fall out with CAMRA over both the books.
As for the clone beers book personally I don't think it's in the same league.

If that's true Amazon are going to have to do a lot of refunds, publication supposed to be. 21 December 2013.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Drinks-Beverage ... %20Wheeler

That date has been put at least 3 times to my knowledge over the last 2 years.

 

[dennisking]

This was what he last wrote about the book on his own forum just over 2 years ago in reply to questions from myself and Barnsley Brewer. Before he had a stroke.

Re: The new book
Postby Graham » Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:59 am

@Dennis
I am not being bullied as such. It is mostly naivety In thinking that a 400-page book can be written in spare time in about six months. At the end of one year they plan the books to be released in the following year; which means that a book has to be finished by about July. That just was not possible in this case. They should really be planning two or three years ahead. I did not realise there was any pressure until I saw the entry in Amazon, giving a publication date and a page count. They should not have done that until they at least had the first draught of the manuscript on their desk. My reluctance to sign a written agreement until the book was virtually complete should have indicated to them that I was not going to be tied down to a date. The end result of this is that a book that was on the cusp of being completed has been delayed even further because I have not done any work on it for weeks.

@BarnsleyBrewer
I am not really tied to CAMRA, but if anybody is going to publish the book, I would prefer that CAMRA did. I have thought about self-publishing, or even Kindle, but at the moment, in order to reduce my own stress levels, it is best that I left it alone for a while. I am certainly not going to let all the work that I have already done go to waste - If the worst comes to the worst I will just shove it up on the web.
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[Rhys]

This was what he last wrote about the book on his own forum just over 2 years ago in reply to questions from myself and Barnsley Brewer. Before he had a stroke.

Re: The new book
Postby Graham » Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:59 am

@Dennis
I am not being bullied as such. It is mostly naivety In thinking that a 400-page book can be written in spare time in about six months. At the end of one year they plan the books to be released in the following year; which means that a book has to be finished by about July. That just was not possible in this case. They should really be planning two or three years ahead. I did not realise there was any pressure until I saw the entry in Amazon, giving a publication date and a page count. They should not have done that until they at least had the first draught of the manuscript on their desk. My reluctance to sign a written agreement until the book was virtually complete should have indicated to them that I was not going to be tied down to a date. The end result of this is that a book that was on the cusp of being completed has been delayed even further because I have not done any work on it for weeks.

@BarnsleyBrewer
I am not really tied to CAMRA, but if anybody is going to publish the book, I would prefer that CAMRA did. I have thought about self-publishing, or even Kindle, but at the moment, in order to reduce my own stress levels, it is best that I left it alone for a while. I am certainly not going to let all the work that I have already done go to waste - If the worst comes to the worst I will just shove it up on the web.
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Yes I'd read those posts, we can only wait and see, if a 3 rd edition is released or not. Amazon shouldn't really be taking pre orders, given this much doubt.

 

[morethanworts]

Someone could suggest that Amazon would be very happy to tuck your money away for a while, only to refund it later.

I would never suggest such a thing, though, of course.

 

[Dr Mike]

Don't think they charge your card until goods are dispatched or do they ?

I've got an old (as in 20yrs old) edition of GW's CAMRA Guide to Home Brewing. It's a pretty good text for the novice and is probably what got me into homebrewing in the first place.