Free Scotland

[Polcho]

Assuming the EU would even want the UK, or what’s left of it back.
They might take the view that it’s more trouble than it’s worth.

 

[Polcho]

Interestingly, Doncaster is actually Scottish, being ceded to Scotland in the treaty of Durham.
It was never officially given back either.

 

[Hoppopotamus]

I just wonder why there is this reluctance to free Scotland from the Union. What is it that motivates England to keep hold of Scotland, where, by most accounts Scotland is a drain on resources etc?

Cos I know it will cost mein the pocket.
As for getting fleeced by the UK government - welcome to the world of the English who live outside of London - and we don't get free prescriptions, university etc.

 

[samale]

I just wonder why there is this reluctance to free Scotland from the Union. What is it that motivates England to keep hold of Scotland, where, by most accounts Scotland is a drain on resources etc?

N. Ireland costs between 10-15 billion a year.

 

[Sorcerers Apprentice]

Assuming the EU would even want the UK, or what’s left of it back.
They might take the view that it’s more trouble than it’s worth.

I reckon with open arms , a United Europe is far better than a divided one. I think most Europeans can distinguish between Boris Johnson and his version of the Tories and the UK and it's people in general. The pound sterling might be a stumbling block , but I'd personally rather see the UK back in the fold and if this meant allowing them to keep sterling I wouldn't have an issue, but then again I'm not in charge :)

 

[Clarence]

I think most Europeans can distinguish between Boris Johnson and his version of the Tories and the UK and it's people in general.

One would like to think so, but ask yourself the question, Who voted Boris Johnson in with a landslide? Those very people you mention above. Bless them.

And was it because of BJ's charisma and record for honesty and integrity? Nope. It was on his "Let's get Brexit done" ticket. Xenophobia beats common sense every time.

 

[Sorcerers Apprentice]

Who hasn't had a rush of blood moment in their lives ?

 

[GhostShip]

I just wonder why there is this reluctance to free Scotland from the Union. What is it that motivates England to keep hold of Scotland, where, by most accounts Scotland is a drain on resources etc?

Democracy? The people of Scotland voted to stay within the Union, yet the likes of the SNP and the Greens choose to totally disregard those voters.

 

[Brew_DD2]

Democracy? The people of Scotland voted to stay within the Union, yet the likes of the SNP and the Greens choose to totally disregard those voters.

Disregarding them would be a unilateral secession. They would retain their voice in another referendum. Unfortunately democracy will always result in some form of tyranny of the majority. Until we find another way, it's all we've got.

 

[foxy]

Interestingly, Doncaster is actually Scottish, being ceded to Scotland in the treaty of Durham.
It was never officially given back either.

Wrong side of the wall.

I reckon with open arms , a United Europe is far better than a divided one. I think most Europeans can distinguish between Boris Johnson and his version of the Tories and the UK and it's people in general. The pound sterling might be a stumbling block , but I'd personally rather see the UK back in the fold and if this meant allowing them to keep sterling I wouldn't have an issue, but then again I'm not in charge :)

I really believe that provided the UK and its residents hold their nerve they will end up being better off outside the EU. Has any empire ever survived in the annals of history? The short answer is no. I honestly think it was a good move, the dividends are yet to be reaped, and the reaping of those dividends will take time..

Surely it's the ability it gives you to pursue your own Utopia?

If you lived under a system where you were denied your right to pursue whatever your Utopia may be, I am sure you would not be so chipper.

Where are you denied anything. It is already established that a vote at the moment wont be forthcoming but in the future it will. My opinion is that in the future a referendum won't be an issue.

 

[samale]

What evidence have you got that Brexit will be successful.

 

[An Ankoù]

I really believe that provided the UK and its residents hold their nerve they will end up being better off outside the EU. Has any empire ever survived in the annals of history? The short answer is no. I honestly think it was a good move, the dividends are yet to be reaped, and the reaping of those dividends will take time..

It sounds a bit like wishful thinking to me. The UK had lots of advantages in the EU, with its opt-outs and right of veto. The UK should and could have been at the helm of running the EU instead of waving its silly little flags with that arch gob farage. But could you tell us where you think these dividends might lie, that we might reap at some time in the future. After 6 years we don't seem to have sight of any of them yet. Scotland will be best served by making closer ties with Europe and NI with reunification. There's no doubt of that in my mind.

 

[foxy]

It sounds a bit like wishful thinking to me. The UK had lots of advantages in the EU, with its opt-outs and right of veto. The UK should and could have been at the helm of running the EU instead of waving its silly little flags with that arch gob farage. But could you tell us where you think these dividends might lie, that we might reap at some time in the future. After 6 years we don't seem to have sight of any of them yet. Scotland will be best served by making closer ties with Europe and NI with reunification. There's no doubt of that in my mind.

Only time will tell. But I have every confidence that Great Britain will forge ahead where the EU will flounder. The more diverse nations enrolling into the EU will cause problems. One thing to remember we are all tribes. The diversity among tribes is not something that goes away easily. Differences will always exist, Germany, France Britain and Scandinavian countries have a lot in common, why, there is barely a gnats **** between them. Start taking in Turks, and eastern European countries changes the balance the more diverse nations are the more unwillingness to move forward as one. We have already seen it from Turkey.

 

[Brewnaldo]

What evidence have you got that Brexit will be successful.

EXACTLY the same evidence he has that Scotland would fail.

 

[An Ankoù]

Only time will tell. But I have every confidence that Great Britain will forge ahead where the EU will flounder. The more diverse nations enrolling into the EU will cause problems. One thing to remember we are all tribes. The diversity among tribes is not something that goes away easily. Differences will always exist, Germany, France Britain and Scandinavian countries have a lot in common, why, there is barely a gnats **** between them. Start taking in Turks, and eastern European countries changes the balance the more diverse nations are the more unwillingness to move forward as one. We have already seen it from Turkey.

Agree with you entirely, @foxy , which is why the Picts and the Scots should move on and allow the Angles and the Saxons and the Jutes to get on with their own thing.

As for the Goths, I think we should leave those lads to the tender mercies of Wednesday Addams!

 

[Agentgonzo]

But could you tell us where you think these dividends might lie

Apparently he can't.

 

[foxy]

EXACTLY the same evidence he has that Scotland would fail.

No, nothing like that at all. Scotland would fail as a single nation, it would not be allowed in the EU as a single nation. Just take a look at your balance of payments. The last thing the EU needs is another Greece.

What evidence have you got that Brexit will be successful.

As much as the evidence it will fail. One can't start a business and expect it to be a success from the start, it has to be built, built on trade, trade agreements have been made between countries, businesses have to build up to that, feel their way forward. I firmly believe that Brexit was the right decision, never going to be an overnight success same as most businesses.

 

[Brewnaldo]

No, nothing like that at all. Scotland would fail as a single nation, it would not be allowed in the EU as a single nation. Just take a look at your balance of payments. The last thing the EU needs is another Greece.

As much as the evidence it will fail. One can't start a business and expect it to be a success from the start, it has to be built, built on trade, trade agreements have been made between countries, businesses have to build up to that, feel their way forward. I firmly believe that Brexit was the right decision, never going to be an overnight success same as most businesses.

"None" would have taken me less time to read

 

[foxy]

"None" would have taken me less time to read

Well it has to be explained to those who's intellect is in need.

 

[Brewnaldo]

Well it has to be explained to those who's intellect is in need.

Well there only seems to be one poster having a hard time understanding what evidence means mate. What you have offered is your opinion on a number of matters.