Electric cars.

[Brew_DD2]

And what would you do if your tank is nearly empty and your next filling station is 10 miles past the road block? Or your car overheats when it's stopped and you can see the needle creeping to the red. What to do?

Seriously Chippy, we can all make up hypothetical horror stories that somehow make your fuel choice a bad one.

Exactly. Barely any battery is used when the car isn't moving.

 

[Larse]

You said -



Why "that should be" as i said people cannot afford them or don't like them they cannot force them to buy or like them they can only bribe them into them.

I can't see the contradiction there. And I never used the word "force". '

Can't afford them? 2 million new cars are bought every year. Why not concentrate on the people who are changing their cars and can accommodate an EV? And I already said incentives should be used. That's how you focus effort. Make it an easy choice.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

People buy new cars every day. Why are you getting your knickers in a twist about them being asked to maybe consider a BEV instead of an ICE?

If you had had the whole thread you would have seen several times i have said i would have a BEV tomorrow if i had off street parking as i don't do huge mileages

 

[Chippy_Tea]

"Battery failure anguish"

In a survey of more than 2,000 UK drivers and contributions from 35 car dealerships, motor finance lenders, and lease companies including Black Horse, Octopus EV, Vertu, EVA England, and Evolution Funding, it found that, despite more than half (61%) of drivers indicating they would purchase an EV, more than a quarter would not buy a used EV unless concerns around batteries, cost, and charging infrastructure were addressed.

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/la...ttery-health-concerns-stifling-used-ev-market

 

[Chippy_Tea]

And what would you do if your tank is nearly empty and your next filling station is 10 miles past the road block?

The emergency service will fill your car with fuel try that with your EV

 

[Larse]

In a survey of more than 2,000 UK drivers and contributions from 35 car dealerships, motor finance lenders, and lease companies including Black Horse, Octopus EV, Vertu, EVA England, and Evolution Funding, it found that, despite more than half (61%) of drivers indicating they would purchase an EV, more than a quarter would not buy a used EV unless concerns around batteries, cost, and charging infrastructure were addressed.

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/la...ttery-health-concerns-stifling-used-ev-market

Charging infrastructure is the only factor that's actually closest to being correct in those responses. And cost is probably the most salient part of that. Concerns about batteries are a tabloid headline written around a 2012 Nissan Leaf and have no relevance to current battery technology. Cost is also not a factor any more. The most popular cars in the UK can all be undercut by EVs.

The main problems with EVs are general ignorance among the population fed by tabloid headlines and brain dead journalists. Some of whom have been quoted on this thread.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I can't see the contradiction there. And I never used the word "force". '

I cahnged that after your quote -
How do they persuade them to move to EV all they can do is bribe them they are not going to do that as they scrapped the earlier bribe.

 

[Larse]

The emergency service will fill your car with fuel try that with your EV

I have a little button on my ceiling that I press and a man will turn up with a truck to whisk me away. Free of charge.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Can't afford them? 2 million new cars are bought every year. Why not concentrate on the people who are changing their cars and can accommodate an EV? And I already said incentives should be used. That's how you focus effort. Make it an easy choice.

How do they persuade people that don't want to move to EV to do so without paying them to do so there is obviously a reason people are not buying them.

 

[Larse]

I cahnged that after your quote -
How do they persuade them to move to EV all they can do is bribe them they are not going to do that as they scrapped the earlier bribe.

Thanks for rectifying that.

How do they persuade people that don't want to move to EV to do so without paying them to do so there is obviously a reason people are not buying them.

If you want to find a reason, a re-read of this thread should answer it for you. Misinformation and a fight back by big oil is what's keeping numbers low.

But not everywhere. 70% of new cars sold in Norway are BEVs, so it's not universal.

 

[Rodcx500z]

Even if i wanted an EV and i would, were i live there is no way anyone can have a home charger street after street of terraced houses, 500 yards from the town centre, in my case i would have to demolish the back wall and gate of my yard and install a large gate just to get the car in and it would be an absolute pita doing so, out front there is parking for 6 cars for 14 houses, parking is one side only opposit to me, they really have not thought this through, so my 1L 3 cylinder turbo ice Juke will be my last car

 

[Rodcx500z]

It is an absolute joke to believe net zero can be achieved in the next 6 years, i class Milliband with David Eyck a total nut job

 

[Larse]

Even if i wanted an EV and i would, were i live there is no way anyone can have a home charger street after street of terraced houses, 500 yards from the town centre, in my case i would have to demolish the back wall and gate of my yard and install a large gate just to get the car in and it would be an absolute pita doing so, out front there is parking for 6 cars for 14 houses, parking is one side only opposit to me, they really have not thought this through, so my 1L 3 cylinder turbo ice Juke will be my last car

Yeah, a lot of the UK is like where you live. No way of doing it which is why competitive public charging has to be a priority.

Where on street parking is available, creative solutions like overhead charging gantries have to be considered.

 

[JockyBrewer]

Charging infrastructure is the only factor that's actually closest to being correct in those responses. And cost is probably the most salient part of that. Concerns about batteries are a tabloid headline written around a 2012 Nissan Leaf and have no relevance to current battery technology. Cost is also not a factor any more. The most popular cars in the UK can all be undercut by EVs.

The main problems with EVs are general ignorance among the population fed by tabloid headlines and brain dead journalists. Some of whom have been quoted on this thread.

Things I’ve been told recently about my EV from people that don’t have EVs:

The tyres are hugely expensive!
(Actually they’re £10 per tyre more expensive than the hybrid version of my car)

You need to do a £15,000 battery service at 60,000 miles!
(The car has an 8 year/100,000 mile battery warranty)

You can’t drive long distances!
(250 mile range, can add 120 miles more range in half an hour while having a sandwich and stretching my legs)

And the rest…

 

[Larse]

Things I’ve been told recently about my EV from people that don’t have EVs:

The tyres are hugely expensive!
(Actually they’re £10 per tyre more expensive than the hybrid version of my car)

You need to do a £15,000 battery service at 60,000 miles!
(The car has an 8 year/100,000 mile battery warranty)

You can’t drive long distances!
(250 mile range, can add 120 miles more range in half an hour while having a sandwich and stretching my legs)

And the rest…

Should really do an equivalent ICE bingo card.

They go on fire regularly.
They run out of fuel.
You can put the wrong fuel in them and the engine has to be rebuilt.
If they go into water, the engine is wrecked and has to be replaced.
etc.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

Where on street parking is available, creative solutions like overhead charging gantries have to be considered.

Or pavement channels are less intrusive. But if you look at what people actually want, the street-charging solutions are less popular as they encourage people trying to "own" bits of street which always puts people's backs up. Now that the state of the art as demonstrated by the Zeekr 007 which is already on sale in China, can add 300 miles of charge in 10 minutes, it becomes more practical for people without home charging to just go to a refuelling station for 10 minutes and refuel just like they do with an ICE car.

The emergency service will fill your car with fuel try that with your EV

7 years ago the AA had a deal with a charging company to relay you to a charge station and get a fillup, now they and the RAC have chargers in their vans :

https://www.am-online.com/news/afte...in-ev-fleet-and-emergency-recharge-technology
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/va...s-faster-emergency-ev-chargers-in-patrol-vans

It is an absolute joke to believe net zero can be achieved in the next 6 years, i class Milliband with David Eyck a total nut job

More misinformation. The net zero target for the country including transport is 2050, the target for 2030 is just about decarbonising electricity. Yes that's a hugely challenging target, but not impossible.