Electric cars.

[MashBag]

I would quite like one as the main car, and keep an older ICE for longer trips. I say that as by the time I could afford one, I suspect battery capacity will be down to 60% or would only cover a 80% short range leaf.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

My question was -

What % of EV owners keep an ICE car for stuff it cannot do, other than towing very heavy trailers I am not aware of "stuff it cannot do" can you enlighten us I am sure the owners here would be happy to discuss them with you.

What is the "Stuff EV's cannot do"

Only one member has said they would keep an ICE for longer journeys but only because he cannot afford a recent model EV that has the range to take him where he needs to go i think the majority of people moving to EV will be getting rid of the ICE as *for most range is no longer an issue.

*no reference to it that i can remember from EV owners here

I would quite like one as the main car, and keep an older ICE for longer trips. I say that as by the time I could afford one, I suspect battery capacity will be down to 60% or would only cover a 80% short range leaf.

 

[MashBag]

I might have to quit this thread before I get cancelled.

I did say!
Don't make me press the ignore button

 

[Northern_Brewer]

Problem with EV’s are they are immature technology....

I know Jag iPaces have a terrible reputation.

That's less an EV thing than a problem with specific manufacturers, Tesla are just an immature company all round, which is why they can't get things like suspensions right.

And JLR have terrible reliability at the moment, I know a buyer of a petrol car from JLR who needed two replacements before they got one that was right.

 

[MattH1973]

thanks to whoever did the long post, that was very interesting. The only part i disagreed with was on the economics of subsidies - if the govt choose to incentive EVs by making ICE driving more expensive, such that the overall cost of transport to the UK economy increases, then this will do economic harm. Unless the ruling classes completely mess up how we source our electricity going forward though (and one can never rule that out) I am not expecting this to happen. As the post said, all new tech has teething trouble initially and things get cheaper and better with time. Talking to EV owners it is already clear that the apps to find available chargers are making a big difference with range anxiety issues.

The pre heating function is classic - I didnt know that but it makes perfect sense. Probably knocks off a bit of range though !

i'm getting closer to buying one - the high cost and annoying gadgets like touchscreens (that are also very dangerous compared to buttons as the latter doesnt require the driver to look as much) are now the biggest barriers for me - and of course those are barriers to many modern ICE cars also....

 

[Rodcx500z]

Xiaomi SU7, now that is a nice looking car,There are expected to be two versions released in 2024. The single motor model has a 73.6kWh battery and will offer 668km (415 miles) and 299hp, with the dual-motor 101kWh battery model producing up to 673hp and a 0-62mph of 2.78 seconds.

 

[AlBrew]

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Xiaomi SU7, now that is a nice looking car,There are expected to be two versions released in 2024. The single motor model has a 73.6kWh battery and will offer 668km (415 miles) and 299hp, with the dual-motor 101kWh battery model producing up to 673hp and a 0-62mph of 2.78 seconds.

The defence rests.

 

[Rodcx500z]

The defence rests.

How are they going to contain the boy racers, ligit question answers on a post card

 

[MashBag]

How are they going to contain the boy racers, ligit question answers on a post card

Insurance

 

[Brew_DD2]

The pre heating function is classic - I didnt know that but it makes perfect sense. Probably knocks off a bit of range though !

For me, about a mile or two at most. Still cheaper, and quicker than doing it in my previous ICE car, which also required me to go outside and start the engine.

 

[Brew_DD2]

i'm getting closer to buying one - the high cost and annoying gadgets like touchscreens (that are also very dangerous compared to buttons as the latter doesnt require the driver to look as much) are now the biggest barriers for me - and of course those are barriers to many modern ICE cars also....

There's actually a bit of a move back from the "touchscreens for all functions" moves we saw before. A lot of manufacturers are starting to put back some of the buttons as a recognition of the above.

 

[dad_of_jon]

The husband of my wife's workmate works for a car manufacturer. He's had a couple of years of lay-offs and short time working because of chip shortages.

A friend had a crash and his car written off. He needed another one for work. The only model of his preferred ICE make he could get was one of the more basic models, because it didn't have the chips used in the more sophisticated models. The chips were simply unavailable across a variety of brands.

The integration of processing power in cars has increased dramatically in the last 5 years or so.

Of course all cars have more compute power mainly due to extra safety features. lane keep assist, blind spot monitoring, auto braking, etc.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

For me, about a mile or two at most. Still cheaper, and quicker than doing it in my previous ICE car, which also required me to go outside and start the engine.

When I start my car it revs higher than normal like putting the choke on in the old days this obviously effects your mpg a little so no difference between ice and EV apart from in the EV you get into a defrosted and warm car.

 

[MashBag]

https://carbuzz.com/news/toyota-new-land-cruiser-sells-out-in-30-minutes

 

[Old Fart At Play]

There's actually a bit of a move back from the "touchscreens for all functions" moves we saw before. A lot of manufacturers are starting to put back some of the buttons as a recognition of the above.

Yes, this was a big factor for me. I have a basic model Renault Megane etech and it has buttons for major functions. A few years back I had a small Audi (petrol) and it had touch screen everything - hated it with a passion.

 

[Old Fart At Play]

And charging is a PITA no matter what others say.

You find charging a PITA - fair comment. Others on here, like me, have not found it to be a PITA. Your experience doesn't negate mine - we have had different experiences and perceptions.

 

[Brew_DD2]

You find charging a PITA - fair comment. Others on here, like me, have not found it to be a PITA. Your experience doesn't negate mine - we have had different experiences and perceptions.

Likewise. Find it a doddle. Plug in when I get in from work (not every day). It charges during the time I have scheduled, and then I unplug when I'm heading out to work in the morning. Beats queueing for pumps.

 

[AlBrew]

Likewise. Find it a doddle. Plug in when I get in from work (not every day). It charges during the time I have scheduled, and then I unplug when I'm heading out to work in the morning. Beats queueing for pumps.

Same for me. I also have the luxury of being able to plug in for free at a few sites I visit for work, not that I need a charge, but it's free so I'm not going to pass that up.

I agree it could potentially be a PITA if your relying on pay at the charger stations that could be either already occupied or broken. Getting home or not getting home isn't something you want to leave to the RNG. However I don't think this applies to the majority of drivers, just the ones that the daily mail find to interview.

 

[Alastair70]

You find charging a PITA - fair comment. Others on here, like me, have not found it to be a PITA. Your experience doesn't negate mine - we have had different experiences and perceptions.

Well said. As I have said before I do 600+ miles a working week and I survived in NI. Until April 2023 the ESB charging network was free. As a result competition didn’t come in to the region, 1/3 of the ESB chargers were non-functioning and the other 2/3 were abused by a selfish few who would plug in and bu66er off, sometimes for hours and sometimes overnight.
Now things are improving, charging for charging sorted out the freeloaders overnight. ESB need working chargers to turn a profit and have replaced most of their units. Third party charging is becoming ever more common with the likes of EasyGo, BP and Vend Electric growing their own networks of rapid chargers.

I ran out of petrol once in almost 30 years of ICE ownership. I have never ran out of electricity in 86k miles of EV driving.

 

[starseeker]

There are some interesting posts here from EV owners , but it seems they all can park up at home and recharge , or are there any owners who can't and have to rely on public chargers ?