Drink beer if you're vegan

[Norse John]

You can get all you need from a veggie diet, not sure about a genuine vegan diet though.

On the health question though, I have been doing 16 hours of fasting a day for the last 6 weeks, not for weight reasons but general health reasons, and have noticed a great positive change from lack of ailments to energy levels. Everything we were taught by the big-state government about nutrition (like the 5 a day or avoid saturated fats/eat high carb diets etc.) does not hold up to scrutiny. Humans aren't grazing animals, and we never were in our history up until a few decades ago. Imagine hunter gatherers sitting down for their 3 daily cooked meals during the bronze age. Fasting is the greatest medicine IMO.

But yeah, each to their own. Don't think the modern status quo is healthy though.

 

[Rodcx500z]

I once read somewere climate change is now a full blown industry, If they turned round in the morning and said we are wrong on this 7.4 million people world wide would be redundant, the young people are blameing my generation yet yesterday I observed kids going to school throwing plastic pop bottles at each other non went in a bin, me I fill em with beer, I do my recycling and tend not to worry to much, google how green is an electric car eye opener

 

[MyQul]

You can get all you need from a veggie diet, not sure about a genuine vegan diet though.

On the health question though, I have been doing 16 hours of fasting a day for the last 6 weeks, not for weight reasons but general health reasons, and have noticed a great positive change from lack of ailments to energy levels. Everything we were taught by the big-state government about nutrition (like the 5 a day or avoid saturated fats/eat high carb diets etc.) does not hold up to scrutiny. Humans aren't grazing animals, and we never were in our history up until a few decades ago. Imagine hunter gatherers sitting down for their 3 daily cooked meals during the bronze age. Fasting is the greatest medicine IMO.

But yeah, each to their own. Don't think the modern status quo is healthy though.

The main things that are missing from a vegan diet is B12, which you can get from suppimented foods like marmite . Beans and rice combine to make a complete protein, as well as eating nuts an seeds and/or tofu for protien. Everything else you can get from veggies

I do a daily fast (intermittent fasting as I know, you know its called) too. I do 19:5 - dont eat for 19 hours and have a 5 hour eating 'window'. People think you'd fall over with fatigue doing something like this but I also do my 30 mile commute (15mile each way) by bike fasted, and in fact I feel more energetic towards the end rather than at the start of my commute . Almost as if I need 30 - 45 mins to 'warm up'

I noticed when I was veggie, if I each a lot of dairy/cheese, I get a pain in my left wrist and pain in my right big toe, almost like gout (dont think I have gout though). It completely disappears when I'm vegan. I think it's quite well known that a meat diet can increase inflammation in the body and both a vegan diet and intermittent fasting can greatly help with this (arthritis sufferers take note, as both these thing can help especially when combined)

 

[Norse John]

The thing is Myqui, the only standard food item that has no associated allergies, is meat. Veggies, fodmap foods, grains, dairy, fish, shellfish, are all renowned for food allergies induced in people. Even the likes of broccoli and onions release potential irritants when cut, as a defensive mechanism. Never heard of anyone being allergic to a steak though.

 

[Drunkula]

https://acaai.org/allergies/types/food-allergies/types-food-allergy/meat-allergy

 

[bobukbrewer]

As I understand it, vegans have to take a B12 supplement. In the UK these are made from animal derivatives, in the USA they are not.

 

[MyQul]

As I understand it, vegans have to take a B12 supplement. In the UK these are made from animal derivatives, in the USA they are not.

Having the knowledge of that, I think it probably would be quite easy to find non animal derived B12, provided you did your research

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Having the knowledge of that, I think it probably would be quite easy to find non animal derived B12, provided you did your research

It is.


The usual dietary sources of Vitamin B12 are animal-derived foods, although a few plant-based foods contain substantial amounts of Vitamin B12. To prevent Vitamin B12 deficiency in high-risk populations such as vegetarians, it is necessary to identify plant-derived foods that contain high levels of Vitamin B12. A survey of naturally occurring plant-derived food sources with high Vitamin B12 contents suggested that dried purple laver (nori) is the most suitable Vitamin B12 source presently available for vegetarians. Furthermore, dried purple laver also contains high levels of other nutrients that are lacking in vegetarian diets, such as iron and n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids. Dried purple laver is a natural plant product and it is suitable for most people in various vegetarian groups.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4042564/

 

[Gunge]

Years ago, I happened upon a radio programme where they had this dude on who reckoned he'd scoffed nowt but pork scratchings and was in perfect health! The nutritionist- type answering the questions on the show reckoned he might be telling the truth... pork scratchings apparently have a textbook perfect blend of fat, carbs and protein. But she reckoned you'd need a vitamin supplement to pull it off. I'm researching the possibility of living exclusively on chicken vindaloo, beer, cigs and ice cream. Um hold on... I already do.

 

[strange-steve]

pork scratchings apparently have a textbook perfect blend of fat, carbs and protein

I'm going to have to call BS on that, where are the carbs in a pork scratching?

 

[Gunge]

I'm going to have to call BS on that, where are the carbs in a pork scratching?

Exactly! Some folk go berserk trying to avoid carbs.... just feed 'em pork scratchings. Doc sez I've got to keep my carb intake below 90g a day due to type 2 diabetes. F*** that, I've got free Metformin for life hehe.

 

[Norse John]

Interesting find on the meat allergy, although this seems to be a consequence of ticks.

I'm going to have to call BS on that, where are the carbs in a pork scratching?

Carbs aren't needed in a diet.

 

[MyQul]

It is.


The usual dietary sources of Vitamin B12 are animal-derived foods, although a few plant-based foods contain substantial amounts of Vitamin B12. To prevent Vitamin B12 deficiency in high-risk populations such as vegetarians, it is necessary to identify plant-derived foods that contain high levels of Vitamin B12. A survey of naturally occurring plant-derived food sources with high Vitamin B12 contents suggested that dried purple laver (nori) is the most suitable Vitamin B12 source presently available for vegetarians. Furthermore, dried purple laver also contains high levels of other nutrients that are lacking in vegetarian diets, such as iron and n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids. Dried purple laver is a natural plant product and it is suitable for most people in various vegetarian groups.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4042564/

Didnt have time to practice my google-fu this morning before having to run off to work. So thanks for the heads up.
Itsu sell seaweed crisps which I could have which have B12 amongst other things. They also sell these itsu seaweed crisps in waitrose near where I work, and I m always in waitrose because of the free coffee. They're REALLY nice tasting too

https://www.itsu.com/grocery/crispy-seaweed-thins/

 

[MyQul]

Interesting find on the meat allergy, although this seems to be a consequence of ticks.



Carbs aren't needed in a diet.

I follow a low carb diet (as well as everything else ). I dont bother counting how many carbs I have. But I can definately feel it the next (few) day(s) if I have to many - groggyness when waking, grumpyness, low mood

 

[strange-steve]

Carbs aren't needed in a diet.

I didn't say otherwise. My "BS" comment was directed to the assertion that scratchings have a perfect blend of f/c/p macros.

Edit to add:
Fwiw though, I am of the opinion that the benefits of a low carb diet are overstated somewhat. That's not to say it doesn't work, but rather that there's nothing particularly special about it. Imo the reason it works for the general population (ie. mostly lightly active at best) is that it makes sub-maintainence caloric compliance easier. However for those who are more active, particularly high intensity training, a low carb diet may not be ideal.

I do a fairly high intensity strength training program (3 heavy weight days, 2 cardio days per week) and I initially started on a low carb diet. I constantly felt sluggish, lacking energy at the gym and put on a bit more fat than I'd have liked. I switched to a low fat, moderate carb diet and felt much better, managed to drop some body fat (while still on >3000 cal/day) and have found lbm gains much easier.

 

[Norse John]

is that it makes sub-maintainence caloric compliance easier. However for those who are more active, particularly high intensity training, a low carb diet may not be ideal.

I do a fairly high intensity strength training program (3 heavy weight days, 2 cardio days per week) and I initially started on a low carb diet. I constantly felt sluggish, lacking energy at the gym and put on a bit more fat than I'd have liked. I switched to a low fat, moderate carb diet and felt much better, managed to drop some body fat (while still on >3000 cal/day) and have found lbm gains much easier.

Body building is another thing altogether, but many high endurance athletes like marathon runners and orienteers are shunning carbs and going the high fat/protein way for energy.

But, your last sentence as well makes sense to me - I subscribe to the idea of blood type and day to day activity determining your ideal diet, and that the constitution of an individual means more than sweeping generalisations. BTW, it is easy to get the 3000 calories I need every day in 8 hours.

Only the person knows what is right for themselves.

 

[Covrich]

I didn't say otherwise. My "BS" comment was directed to the assertion that scratchings have a perfect blend of f/c/p macros.

Edit to add:
Fwiw though, I am of the opinion that the benefits of a low carb diet are overstated somewhat. That's not to say it doesn't work, but rather that there's nothing particularly special about it. Imo the reason it works for the general population (ie. mostly lightly active at best) is that it makes sub-maintainence caloric compliance easier. However for those who are more active, particularly high intensity training, a low carb diet may not be ideal.

I do a fairly high intensity strength training program (3 heavy weight days, 2 cardio days per week) and I initially started on a low carb diet. I constantly felt sluggish, lacking energy at the gym and put on a bit more fat than I'd have liked. I switched to a low fat, moderate carb diet and felt much better, managed to drop some body fat (while still on >3000 cal/day) and have found lbm gains much easier.

I totally agree with this when I do a run or a Kettlebell routine the KB in particular can be very intense, you need the right carbs and protein to fuel your body thats why I like having that Huel as well as a nice balanced evening meal throughout the day.

I think in general you see a lot of people see saw throughout life on and off diets ect diets which can sometimes be so restrictive its not realistic for people to stick to them and often you see people crash and lose 8 pounds in a week a lot of which will be fluid and muscle mass and you do not want to lose your muscle mass.

IMO rather than thining I need to diet and exercise the perfect balance to to adopt lifestyle choices between nutrition and an active lifestyle.

on the subject of veganism, my work colleague is 24 and he went full vegan last year now I believe this is more about his lifestyle than his diet however I do think there is an element of both but it could depend on WHAT he is specifically eating but he has become really really weak he is 24 and he just has no strength or endurance or anything but his posture is terrible and he sits in an internally rotated position rounded back and shoulders. I have lend him a band and told him to strengthen his upper and mid back and open up the chest and pull his shoulders back but he says he is too tired to train.

 

[dad_of_jon]

It is.


The usual dietary sources of Vitamin B12 are animal-derived foods, although a few plant-based foods contain substantial amounts of Vitamin B12. To prevent Vitamin B12 deficiency in high-risk populations such as vegetarians, it is necessary to identify plant-derived foods that contain high levels of Vitamin B12. A survey of naturally occurring plant-derived food sources with high Vitamin B12 contents suggested that dried purple laver (nori) is the most suitable Vitamin B12 source presently available for vegetarians. Furthermore, dried purple laver also contains high levels of other nutrients that are lacking in vegetarian diets, such as iron and n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids. Dried purple laver is a natural plant product and it is suitable for most people in various vegetarian groups.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4042564/

Marmite for B12? Marmite for prime minister. Marmite for everything!

 

[Sadfield]

I'm going to have to call BS on that, where are the carbs in a pork scratching?

The hairs?

 

[Sadfield]

I really don't get why people take such issue with vegans and vegetarians. I'm pretty thankful, as they're usually the people who challenge dubious practices in meat product production, from farmer to butcher, raising quality.