Cycling is Sexist and Racist

[GerritT]

That must be the whermacht light infantry Division with option mortar launchers on the handle bars.

Vespa 150 TAP comes to mind.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Vespa 150 TAP comes to mind.

:shock:

 

[Clint]

Ah yes Mr Tea a fine example which was used during the Italy tour...

 

[Pope]

I may have missed something but this its not about health and environmental benefits its just another article about how unfairly women and minority groups are treat.

You asked a question and I answered it. The article is not about that, it is about encouraging those women and ethnic minorities to cycle. No surprise that a group of older, white, men interpreted the article in such a way though.

As i said above if they do not want to cycle why does Mr Khan think spending £169m annually is going to change their minds?

No you didn't say that. You asked why they should be encouraged to cycle, which is the question I answered.

 

[Pope]

Ethnic minorities prefer to cruise in inexplicably expensive cars, hence why white women don't want to cycle.

Some sweeping generalisations there.

 

[MyQul]

Im not sure about ethnic minorites but far less women cycle than men(in London) because they percieve it as dangerous because of the traffic(cant remember where I read that but I think I read it on a cycling website). So if Khan want to get more women cycling they'll have to either get rid of all the cars or cycle lanes absolutely everywhere (not that I mind)

either that or because Chris Froome won the Giro D'Italia recently (and he's a white man), and he's been accused of being a dope cheat it means you have to take drugs to cycle :nod:

 

[aj65]

Surely we are in a parallel world here... middle aged white bloke cycling, middle aged white bloke brewing. Haha
I’d like to see the stats on who’s brewing and wondering if there going to spend millions encouraging others to take this up

 

[MyQul]

Buses are very cheap ad plentyful in london, they even recently introduced a hopper fare whereby you can get on a second bus for free if it's within 1 hour of paying for the first. So poorer people, who may be women and EM (I have no idea about this tbh) who would be more likey to cycle because cycling is a cheap option , have no incentive to cycle as getting a bus is so easy and cheap

...also rather than trying to encourage Women and EM's to get cycling, driving may need to be discouraged. As I understand it, fuel duty has been frozen for several years, that could be reversed.If you're a woman or an EM who isnt so poor you need to get a bus (or other public transport) , why not drive because driving is still relatively cheap.

As far a I can see they're asking the wrong questions about why people cycle

 

[Chippy_Tea]

"You asked a question and I answered it"

I thought it was a statement not a question and I still do not see why millions needs to be spent to encourage people who do not want to cycle to take it up.

I wonder if tax payers in London view this as a good use of millions of pounds.

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[MyQul]

"You asked a question and I answered it"

I thought it was a statement not a question and I still do not see why millions needs to be spent to encourage people who do not want to cycle to take it up.

I wonder if tax payers in London view this as a good use of millions of pounds.

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If were to work it would be of benefit; less cars on the road, less polution, less long term strain on the NHS (the increase in obesity and diabetes in this counry is massive millons spent on getting people cycling would more than cancel out the millions spent on health care for obesity related deseases). But I cant see how it would work. Most people are aware of the benefits of cycling, those people who want to cycle do so. How exactly are they going to 'encourage' people to cycle who dont want to? If say this money was going to be used to build more segregated cycle lanes, I can see that working (as this would alay womens fears of cycling being dangerous) but the money isnt going to be used for that as far as I can see.

 

[Pope]

"If people don't want to cycle why do they need to be encouraged to do so?" Most certainly is a question. I suggested the health and environmental benefits but don't know for sure what Khan's thinking is. Spending money to reduce emissions is a valid use of money (in my humble opinion). Regarding health benefits, if the scheme reduces people getting treated in hospitals due to health issues related to a lack of fitness, obesity, etc. than it could save money. Obviously, only time will tell whether both potential benefits have been achieved.

I think Myqul touched on a good point above cycling being perceived as dangerous in London. Cycling routes may need to be safer to truly encourage more cycling to work. Now that would be an expensive project to take on, with a great deal of upheaval.

 

[MyQul]

"If people don't want to cycle why do they need to be encouraged to do so?" Most certainly is a question. I suggested the health and environmental benefits but don't know for sure what Khan's thinking is. Spending money to reduce emissions is a valid use of money (in my humble opinion). Regarding health benefits, if the scheme reduces people getting treated in hospitals due to health issues related to a lack of fitness, obesity, etc. than it could save money. Obviously, only time will tell whether both potential benefits have been achieved.

I think Myqul touched on a good point above cycling being perceived as dangerous in London. Cycling routes may need to be safer to truly encourage more cycling to work. Now that would be an expensive project to take on, with a great deal of upheaval.

There are a number of segregated cycle lanes around london (if anyone is interested here's info about them https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/cycling/routes-and-maps/cycle-superhighways ) and they are heavily used (the one along cable st is going to be have to be rebuilt and widened because it's so heavily used during rush hour). They definately cause loads of upset and every time one is proposed you get loads of driver groups (such as taxis) complaining about the disruption.

But in my opionion the benefits far outway the cost/disruption. The health benefits alone are massive.Look at any study and you'll see excercise trumps absolutely everything for health benefits

 

[BeerCat]

The progressive way to deal with this awful problem is to ban whites from cycling. You know it makes sense.

 

[MyQul]

The progressive way to deal with this awful problem is to ban whites from cycling. You know it makes sense.

No. The progressive way to deal with this is to ban all motor vehicles from the roads

 

[simon12]

:shock:

How long until we see these in London?

 

[MyQul]

How long until we see these in London?

About as soon as I work out how to add the rocket launcher to my recumbent

 

[Gunge]

If were to work it would be of benefit; less cars on the road, less polution, less long term strain on the NHS (the increase in obesity and diabetes in this counry is massive millons spent on getting people cycling would more than cancel out the millions spent on health care for obesity related deseases). But I cant see how it would work. Most people are aware of the benefits of cycling, those people who want to cycle do so. How exactly are they going to 'encourage' people to cycle who dont want to?

Exactly. It's all cobblers and ulterior motives. That Khan dude gets right up my shonk. Ignore him, move on.

 

[MyQul]

All this special stuff for special interest groups is just part of the 'culture war' (as I read it was called in one of the commuter papers recently) we seem to have imported from the states.
Khan needs to focus on getting all Londoners,not just special ones, on their bikes. This includes even more of those middle class white ones who are currently driving around in their beemers and audis. If most traffic in London is cycle traffic then those groups who are under-represented in the cycling figures will see cycling as what everyone does, not dangerous and even pleasurable. They will then be far more likely to cycle themselves.

While Im on the subject, I think Khan is missing a trick if he wants more people cycling. Basically get em while there young. School children should have their free bus passes taken away and they should be given a free bike instead(I bet it would save loads of money too as Im sure giving a free bus pass to every school kid in london costs millions). That would not only introduce them to cycling at an early age and therefore they would be more likely to continue the cycling habit throughout life. But it would cut childhood obesity down to significantly in one fell swoop

 

[Gunge]

The only one who ought to get on his bike is 'Sad-Dick Khan'.

 

[Clint]

Just looked on eBay for a waffen ss tour de Europe cycling jacket ...nowt doing.