Covid the *** and the final stage.

[ChrisR73]

I'm more interested in what you think, Barleylass. You say the "PCR test" is "corrupt" and "meaningless". Those are strong claims - can you explain why you think that? I don't want links to videos, I want you to explain why you think that.

In my experience people who believe such things tend to be very poor at evaluating sources.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

People should get their Covid-19 *** when invited, the PM has said, amid concerns about potential side effects of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine.

Boris Johnson said getting vaccinated was "the key thing" and the regulator's advice was to keep giving the ***.

It comes after a European Medicines Agency official, speaking in a personal capacity, said there appeared to be a link with the *** and rare blood clots.

More than 31.6 million people in the UK have had a first vaccine dose.

A total of 5.4 million people have received a second dose. Two vaccines - developed by Oxford-AstraZeneca and Pfizer-BioNtech - are being used in the UK.

The European Medicines Agency's (EMA) safety committee has been reviewing very rare cases of unusual blood clots in people vaccinated with the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine.

It said that the committee had "not yet reached a conclusion and the review is currently ongoing", but it is expected to announce findings on Wednesday or Thursday.

The UK regulator the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) says the benefits of the *** continue to outweigh any risk.

Full article - Covid: Trust regulator on AstraZeneca vaccine safety, Boris Johnson says

 

[Barleylass]

I'm more interested in what you think, Barleylass. You say the "PCR test" is "corrupt" and "meaningless". Those are strong claims - can you explain why you think that? I don't want links to videos, I want you to explain why you think that.

The PCR test is only accurate magnifying up to 24 cycles. After that is becomes totally inaccurate. The standard set early on by the WHO was 40 to 45 cycles creating many false positives and skewing the figures, which created many ‘asymptomatic carriers’. The test is so sensitive it can pick up dead fragments from previous viruses and colds. More recently they have acknowledged that, even BBC. UK has refused to release the number of cycles it was originally using under FOI. Court cases have been won in Austria and Portugal and I understand that there are more to come. Don’t know of anything over here though.

I was only asking if anyone had heard about it. I like to question things and not just follow what I am told, especially when there seems to be no opposition in government and no one in the media questioning anything. Boris lies in the commons and isn’t held to account so why should I believe him over this without questioning. Covid 19 has been an awful virus and sadly many older generation and people with other problems have died, average age of those that have passed is 82. This lockdown with the mental health issues, impact on children, deaths from cancer, heart disease etc and ruined businesses in my opinion has done far greater damage. I know someone that committed suicide over this. There are now over 55,000 doctors, scientists and professors signed The Great Barrington Declaration which recommends a focused approach instead of lockdowns. Some have been brave enough to question things and have had their careers trashed. I also think Covid passports for everyday use is a terrible idea and once established will never be removed. I just want things to go back to what they were, a free country.

I agree the first 10 minutes of the video are a bit rubbish but after that it got more serious.



Sasha Lord has been in court today with his case against the government. He argues that if non-essential shops can open, hospitality should be open inside. UPDATE: 10am today, the Government argued against the expedition of our case. A poor stalling tactic. This afternoon, the Judge ruled AGAINST them and confirmed our case WILL be expediated. The next phase is 19th April. Hospitality, SHOULD open before 17th May.

 

[Barleylass]

In my experience people who believe such things tend to be very poor at evaluating sources.

In other words if you question something you are a conspiracy theorist! I do not understand your blind loyalty and lack of critical thinking.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

 

[Covrich]

I Turn 40 end of June .. eeek.. but start of July they are hopefully doing the one shot Johnson and Johnson vaccine.

One shot to vaccine the 18-39s could make a big difference

 

[ChrisR73]

In other words if you question something you are a conspiracy theorist! I do not understand your blind loyalty and lack of critical thinking.

Not at all, I’m pointing out that you are not evaluating your sources.
But you are following someone blindly, that’s quite obvious.

 

[ChrisR73]

The PCR test is only accurate magnifying up to 24 cycles. After that is becomes totally inaccurate. The standard set early on by the WHO was 40 to 45 cycles creating many false positives and skewing the figures, which created many ‘asymptomatic carriers’. The test is so sensitive it can pick up dead fragments from previous viruses and colds. More recently they have acknowledged that, even BBC. UK has refused to release the number of cycles it was originally using under FOI. Court cases have been won in Austria and Portugal and I understand that there are more to come. Don’t know of anything over here though.

I was only asking if anyone had heard about it. I like to question things and not just follow what I am told, especially when there seems to be no opposition in government and no one in the media questioning anything. Boris lies in the commons and isn’t held to account so why should I believe him over this without questioning. Covid 19 has been an awful virus and sadly many older generation and people with other problems have died, average age of those that have passed is 82. This lockdown with the mental health issues, impact on children, deaths from cancer, heart disease etc and ruined businesses in my opinion has done far greater damage. I know someone that committed suicide over this. There are now over 55,000 doctors, scientists and professors signed The Great Barrington Declaration which recommends a focused approach instead of lockdowns. Some have been brave enough to question things and have had their careers trashed. I also think Covid passports for everyday use is a terrible idea and once established will never be removed. I just want things to go back to what they were, a free country.

I agree the first 10 minutes of the video are a bit rubbish but after that it got more serious.



Sasha Lord has been in court today with his case against the government. He argues that if non-essential shops can open, hospitality should be open inside. UPDATE: 10am today, the Government argued against the expedition of our case. A poor stalling tactic. This afternoon, the Judge ruled AGAINST them and confirmed our case WILL be expediated. The next phase is 19th April. Hospitality, SHOULD open before 17th May.

So how many cycles do you think that UK labs have been using for the last twelve months?
Do you actually know why cycle limits are used?
Are you aware that PCR has been used for decades to amplify genetic material and is not some new technique that labs dont understand?
For example, PCR-RT has been used to identify influenza infections and to identify strains with great accuracy.
So, to bust some myths that you blindly believe - the antibody test does not detect old colds nor other viruses. It is highly specific.
The official UK advice on cycle number is a matter of public record however, so I’m not sure why you’re claiming it is being hidden.

So, if you like to question things and not believe what you’re told why are you not questioning the “Great” Barrington declaration? You do know that out of the 55,000+ that you quote the vast majority are not experts in infectious disease or even medicine. I wonder if you have questioned why they decided to call it a great decleration in the first place - spoiler alert, it’s what the tabloids do every day.
The key point is of course that our first lockdown didn’t protect the most vulnerable so how on earth would a relaxed approach protect them even more? It also ignores the fact that 45-60 year olds in the UK made up nearLy 50% of hospital admissions but onLy a small fraction of the deaths. This is enough to swamp our NHS which is why deaths from other treatable diseases has increased.

So you do realise that the vast majority of experts in the field of epidemiology support lockdown measures and the evidence over the last twelve months shows that it is a highly effective strategy?
You might want to question why only a fringe group of experts and many non experts don’t approve.

By the way, we all want to go back to normal, but only a psychopath wants do so while letting tens of thousands of people die just so you can go back to the pub.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

So, there should have been an uptick / spike in Covid deaths, or at the very least excessive deaths, a few months after the first peak, mirroring the shape of the original death curve? I'm not sure there was?

Given that the secondary deaths would have been "smeared" over potentially a couple of months after the initial stay, my instinct says that any signal would be pretty muted and probably lost in the background.

England deaths peaked at 973 on 8 April 2020 with a 7-day average of 872.
Navaratnam et al in the Lancet suggest that between March 1 and May 31, 2020 there were 91 541 diagnoses of Covid-19 among patients who left hospitals of NHS England, of which 30.8% left in a box. As an aside, mortality rates declined from 52·2% in the first week of March to 16·8% in the last week of May.

But assume that the 973 deaths on 8 April represented 30.8% of the discharges that day (was probably more, but let's see where it goes with that assumption), then 3159 left in total, of which 2186 were alive. The Ayoubkhani et al paper mentioned in #504 says a third of those were readmitted and 5875 out of 47 780 (1 in 8.13) died for some reason (but Covid wouldn't necessarily go on their death certificate). So about 269 of those discharged alive on 8 April would have died at some point over summer/autumn.

Using a very basic model based on lagging the actual time series of deaths in March-May 2020 by 140 days, where the deaths from one discharge day are spread equally over a window of x days, then for x=30 days you get a peak of 204 lag-deaths on 1 September, dropping to 108 on 18 September if x = 90 days. Obviously it would be more complicated than that, it would be more reasonable to model a normal distribution around t+140 but it gives you a rough idea.

On average, there's around 1100 deaths per day, fewer in summer - so they probably would show up, at least the lag<140 ones, but they would mostly be ascribed to something other than Covid. The later ones in late September and October, would start to get buried by the autumn rise in Covid cases I suspect.

Awful for the people that have died but if i had known these figures last week i would still have had my AZ ***.


Seven people have died from unusual blood clots after getting the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK, the medicines regulator has confirmed to the BBC.

In total, 30 people out of 18 million vaccinated by 24 March had these clots.
It is still not clear if they are just a coincidence or a genuine side effect of the vaccine.

Think it's early days Chippy, and important not to overstate this, the overall incidence of clots seems to be about the same, it's just a handful of weird ones that are raising eyebrows. Suggestion that it may be something to do with young women on the Pill, but I think it's a tribute to just how safe these things are that after 10's of millions of doses, this is the worst that's been found.

O boy i have to laugh, so from the 12th i can still meet my friends outside and i can sit in inside a hairdressers a gym and a pub beer garden with random strangers ffs you could not make this up, 3 months we will be back in full lock down

Rod - it's about "spending" a risk budget. All contacts have risk, but some have other conditions attached. If pubs are closed, the government has to pay compensation and furlough, but they don't have to pay anything if you can't see your mates.

 

[Barleylass]

This is soooo true. I think this lawyer is working for the 5g companies, no doubt his sole intention is to distract from 5g. He is a fraud. Plus covid is real, I have seen people die from it.

I never said Covid wasn’t real, it has been awful.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

The PCR test is only accurate magnifying up to 24 cycles.

Can you explain what you mean by "cycles" in this context?

After that is becomes totally inaccurate.

What do you mean by "inaccurate"? No test is 100% accurate, it's always a bit of a tradeoff between speed, convenience and accuracy. What level of accuracy do you get above and below "25 cycles", and what level of accuracy would you consider to be acceptable?

The standard set early on by the WHO was 40 to 45 cycles creating many false positives

Can you show me where the WHO said this?

and skewing the figures, which created many ‘asymptomatic carriers’.

How many? And what level of asymptomatic carrier would cause a problem?

The test is so sensitive it can pick up dead fragments from previous viruses and colds.

Can you point me to more data on this. I like to question things and not just follow what I am told, and the only way is to see original sources rather than second-hand information. If the evidence is so clear-cut, you should easily be able to find reputable sources to point me at.

 

[Barleylass]

So how many cycles do you think that UK labs have been using for the last twelve months?
Do you actually know why cycle limits are used?
Are you aware that PCR has been used for decades to amplify genetic material and is not some new technique that labs dont understand?
For example, PCR-RT has been used to identify influenza infections and to identify strains with great accuracy.
So, to bust some myths that you blindly believe - the antibody test does not detect old colds nor other viruses. It is highly specific.
The official UK advice on cycle number is a matter of public record however, so I’m not sure why you’re claiming it is being hidden.

So, if you like to question things and not believe what you’re told why are you not questioning the “Great” Barrington declaration? You do know that out of the 55,000+ that you quote the vast majority are not experts in infectious disease or even medicine. I wonder if you have questioned why they decided to call it a great decleration in the first place - spoiler alert, it’s what the tabloids do every day.
The key point is of course that our first lockdown didn’t protect the most vulnerable so how on earth would a relaxed approach protect them even more? It also ignores the fact that 45-60 year olds in the UK made up nearLy 50% of hospital admissions but onLy a small fraction of the deaths. This is enough to swamp our NHS which is why deaths from other treatable diseases has increased.

So you do realise that the vast majority of experts in the field of epidemiology support lockdown measures and the evidence over the last twelve months shows that it is a highly effective strategy?
You might want to question why only a fringe group of experts and many non experts don’t approve.

By the way, we all want to go back to normal, but only a psychopath wants do so while letting tens of thousands of people die just so you can go back to the pub.

I very rarely go to pubs and although I enjoy making wine I very rarely drink (3 times last year), but many businesses spent thousands of pounds making their establishments Covid safe. The government have been asked for proof that pubs spread the virus, which they hadn’t managed to do today. You would think that as they are ‘following the science’ they would have plenty to hand. You do realise that only 26 people sadly died in uk yesterday with Covid, age unknown. I don’t appreciate being called a psychopath, there is no need for that!

The PCR test was invented by Kary Mullins who received a Nobel prize for it in 1993. His method was used to detect genetic mutations to identify genetic diseases such as sickle cell anaemia. It was never designed to diagnose infectious diseases. Here is a video of him talking about it’s misuse: Kary Mullis Speaks To Misuse Of PCR (1993) : Kary Mullis : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

The PCR test is being performed to detect genetic material from a specific organism, such as a virus. The test detects the presence of a virus if you are infected at the time of the test. The test could also detect fragments of virus even after you are no longer infected. According to an article in BMJ, in the case of RT-PCR test showing false(ly) positive when the person is in fact truly not infected, this can be due to presence of other genetic material similar to that of SARS-COV-2 virus. In reply to this a member of staff in the emergency department of a hospital tested positive when he had the virus 4 months before. The cycle used was 32! To bust some of YOUR myths a false positive can be due to the presence of other similar genetic material and according to its inventor was not designed to be used for this.

So, in July 2020 the cycle was 32 which is way above the 24 recommended. The ONS indicated that cycles of up to 37 had been used, and in December Public Health England said that they did not have that information. This was following a court case in Portugal in November. The ruling, dated November 11: “In view of current scientific evidence, this test shows itself to be unable to determine beyond reasonable doubt that such positivity corresponds, in fact, to the infection of a person by the SARS-CoV-2 virus”. It also said ”This means that if a person has a positive PCR test at a threshold of cycles of 35 or higher (as happens in most laboratories in the USA and Europe), the chances of a person being infected is less than 3%. The probability of a person receiving a false positive is 97% or higher”.

Knowing of the possibility of large numbers of false positive cases the government still went ahead with Operation Moonshot, the name given to the Covid-19 mass asymptomatic PCR testing scheme with a targeted budget of £100billion proposed. £12billion was already spent by October 2020 until the Good Law Project stepped in with the threat of legal action against the Government, claiming ‘that the Moonshot project was unlawful because it ignored scientific evidence and committed a vast sum of public money with no transparency as to how the decisions were made’.

The authors of the Great Barrington Declaration: Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard, Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology at Oxford, and Jay Bhattacharya, professor of medicine and economics at Stanford.

Then again would you rather trust our experts from SAGE.
Neil Ferguson. He is also acting director of Vaccine Impact Modelling Consortium(VIMC) based at Imperial College, which is funded by GAVI-The Vaccine Alliance. In 2001, Ferguson’s modelling of the foot-and-mouth disease outbreak influenced the UK government to cull well over 6million animals at an estimated £10 million. Professor Michael Thrusfield of Edinburgh University, an expert in animal diseases, later described Ferguson’s modelling during the foot-and-mouth period as’severely flawed‘ and ‘not fit for purpose’. We sat with our neighbours while approx 1000 of their sheep were culled. When tested they didn’t have it! In 2005 Ferguson claimed that up to 200million people worldwide would die during the bird flu outbreak including up to 750,000 in the UK. The World Health Organisation was able to link only 78 deaths worldwide to the bird flu virus. In 2009, Imperial’s model led by Ferguson predicted 65,000 deaths from swine flu in the UK but only 457 deaths were linked to the virus. Based on Ferguson’s model, the government spent £1.2 billion to prepare for the swine flu pandemic and more than 20million unused doses of vaccine were left over. In March 2020 the report from the Imperial College Covid-19 response team warned of 510,000 UK deaths by the end of May 2020 if the government continued with its ‘herd immunity’ response to the pandemic! Anyone else making so many mistakes in their job would be sacked!

Many of the key Sage members have held senior positions in the pharmaceutical industry before being government advisers and some hold shareholdings in the pharmaceutical companies they worked for eg Vallance, and he and Van Tam both previously held positions at GlaxoSmithKline. What has happened to declaring conflict of interest?

Instead of just focusing on vaccines alone, maybe more should have been done to advise people about the importance of staying fit and a healthy diet. I have lost 4.5 stone since last May. There is also the vit D3, C zinc which they have kept pretty quiet about. Dr. David Grimes, Dr. David Anderson and Chris Williams are all experts on the use of vitamin D and how it boosts the immune system and greatly reduces the chance of being hospitalised when blood levels reach 50ng/ml. People should check with their doctor though especially if on blood thinners. Dr Tess Laurie is a medical doctor and researcher and director of the Evidence-based Medicine Consultancy. She and her team do systematic reviews of drugs to make recommendations to organisations eg WHO. She has written to Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson regarding Ivermectin but has been ignored. WHO have now come out against Ivermectin as they didn’t have enough data. She has evidence that Ivermectin led to a 75% reduction in deaths from over 21 clearly described randomised trials by doctors who were used to working with Ivermectin. It is very cheap and very safe.

By the way I am not an antivaxer. My children had every vaccination going, and they save millions of life’s every year, but I worry about the fact that there are no long term studies done, possible risk of ADE and autoimmune disease which can take years to possibly show. If this is still in trial stage and for emergency use why couldn’t it just be used on high risk people who would benefit from it.

Why not go on QCovid™ risk calculator It is a personal risk assessment which is run by Oxford University. My risk of Covid associated death is 0.0097% and my risk of hospitalisation is 0.0757%. I am in my 60s.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Suggestion that it may be something to do with young women on the Pill, but I think it's a tribute to just how safe these things are that after 10's of millions of doses, this is the worst that's been found.

Just heard that on the radio.

 

[An Ankoù]

When there's more information, checkable claims and verifiable figures on a beer forum than can be readily found in the public arena, then then things are coming to a pretty pass. I'm a bit confused by these "cycles" and why tests should be valid up to 24 cycles and then wildly inaccurate on the 25th. If @Barleylass could say a bit more on this for thick readers like myself I'd certainly be grateful . I, too, was very wary of advice saying vitamin and mineral supplements make no difference. How can anything which bolsters the immune system in general be useless? Or is it a myth that these bolster the immune system? I remember right at the beginning when we were told not to wear masks as they did more harm than good. What nonsense that turned out to be and it was so obviously bad advice that we both wore home-made face coverings from the beginning.
So let's keep this discussion going. We are being lied to by people with vested interests, but there's good advice out there, too. It's not right that the layman has to try to navigate this mess. How can he or she?

 

[Polcho]

I just did the risk calculator, pretty good considering I’m 60 this year. Then I remembered, I had my first *** a few weeks ago, so hopefully even better. I’m not on the pill either, winner

 

[Leon103]

I need to be careful what I say du3 to my conflict of interest issues, my share portfolio contains shares in some companies mentioned above.

What I would like to know is, what did the Portugal court case archive?

 

[ChrisR73]

I very rarely go to pubs and although I enjoy making wine I very rarely drink (3 times last year), but many businesses spent thousands of pounds making their establishments Covid safe. The government have been asked for proof that pubs spread the virus, which they hadn’t managed to do today. You would think that as they are ‘following the science’ they would have plenty to hand. You do realise that only 26 people sadly died in uk yesterday with Covid, age unknown. I don’t appreciate being called a psychopath, there is no need for that!

The PCR test was invented by Kary Mullins who received a Nobel prize for it in 1993. His method was used to detect genetic mutations to identify genetic diseases such as sickle cell anaemia. It was never designed to diagnose infectious diseases. Here is a video of him talking about it’s misuse: Kary Mullis Speaks To Misuse Of PCR (1993) : Kary Mullis : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

The PCR test is being performed to detect genetic material from a specific organism, such as a virus. The test detects the presence of a virus if you are infected at the time of the test. The test could also detect fragments of virus even after you are no longer infected. According to an article in BMJ, in the case of RT-PCR test showing false(ly) positive when the person is in fact truly not infected, this can be due to presence of other genetic material similar to that of SARS-COV-2 virus. In reply to this a member of staff in the emergency department of a hospital tested positive when he had the virus 4 months before. The cycle used was 32! To bust some of YOUR myths a false positive can be due to the presence of other similar genetic material and according to its inventor was not designed to be used for this.

So, in July 2020 the cycle was 32 which is way above the 24 recommended. The ONS indicated that cycles of up to 37 had been used, and in December Public Health England said that they did not have that information. This was following a court case in Portugal in November. The ruling, dated November 11: “In view of current scientific evidence, this test shows itself to be unable to determine beyond reasonable doubt that such positivity corresponds, in fact, to the infection of a person by the SARS-CoV-2 virus”. It also said ”This means that if a person has a positive PCR test at a threshold of cycles of 35 or higher (as happens in most laboratories in the USA and Europe), the chances of a person being infected is less than 3%. The probability of a person receiving a false positive is 97% or higher”.

Knowing of the possibility of large numbers of false positive cases the government still went ahead with Operation Moonshot, the name given to the Covid-19 mass asymptomatic PCR testing scheme with a targeted budget of £100billion proposed. £12billion was already spent by October 2020 until the Good Law Project stepped in with the threat of legal action against the Government, claiming ‘that the Moonshot project was unlawful because it ignored scientific evidence and committed a vast sum of public money with no transparency as to how the decisions were made’.

The authors of the Great Barrington Declaration: Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard, Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology at Oxford, and Jay Bhattacharya, professor of medicine and economics at Stanford.

Then again would you rather trust our experts from SAGE.
Neil Ferguson. He is also acting director of Vaccine Impact Modelling Consortium(VIMC) based at Imperial College, which is funded by GAVI-The Vaccine Alliance. In 2001, Ferguson’s modelling of the foot-and-mouth disease outbreak influenced the UK government to cull well over 6million animals at an estimated £10 million. Professor Michael Thrusfield of Edinburgh University, an expert in animal diseases, later described Ferguson’s modelling during the foot-and-mouth period as’severely flawed‘ and ‘not fit for purpose’. We sat with our neighbours while approx 1000 of their sheep were culled. When tested they didn’t have it! In 2005 Ferguson claimed that up to 200million people worldwide would die during the bird flu outbreak including up to 750,000 in the UK. The World Health Organisation was able to link only 78 deaths worldwide to the bird flu virus. In 2009, Imperial’s model led by Ferguson predicted 65,000 deaths from swine flu in the UK but only 457 deaths were linked to the virus. Based on Ferguson’s model, the government spent £1.2 billion to prepare for the swine flu pandemic and more than 20million unused doses of vaccine were left over. In March 2020 the report from the Imperial College Covid-19 response team warned of 510,000 UK deaths by the end of May 2020 if the government continued with its ‘herd immunity’ response to the pandemic! Anyone else making so many mistakes in their job would be sacked!

Many of the key Sage members have held senior positions in the pharmaceutical industry before being government advisers and some hold shareholdings in the pharmaceutical companies they worked for eg Vallance, and he and Van Tam both previously held positions at GlaxoSmithKline. What has happened to declaring conflict of interest?

Instead of just focusing on vaccines alone, maybe more should have been done to advise people about the importance of staying fit and a healthy diet. I have lost 4.5 stone since last May. There is also the vit D3, C zinc which they have kept pretty quiet about. Dr. David Grimes, Dr. David Anderson and Chris Williams are all experts on the use of vitamin D and how it boosts the immune system and greatly reduces the chance of being hospitalised when blood levels reach 50ng/ml. People should check with their doctor though especially if on blood thinners. Dr Tess Laurie is a medical doctor and researcher and director of the Evidence-based Medicine Consultancy. She and her team do systematic reviews of drugs to make recommendations to organisations eg WHO. She has written to Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson regarding Ivermectin but has been ignored. WHO have now come out against Ivermectin as they didn’t have enough data. She has evidence that Ivermectin led to a 75% reduction in deaths from over 21 clearly described randomised trials by doctors who were used to working with Ivermectin. It is very cheap and very safe.

By the way I am not an antivaxer. My children had every vaccination going, and they save millions of life’s every year, but I worry about the fact that there are no long term studies done, possible risk of ADE and autoimmune disease which can take years to possibly show. If this is still in trial stage and for emergency use why couldn’t it just be used on high risk people who would benefit from it.

Why not go on QCovid™ risk calculator It is a personal risk assessment which is run by Oxford University. My risk of Covid associated death is 0.0097% and my risk of hospitalisation is 0.0757%. I am in my 60s.

Well firstly I didn’t call you a psychopath - I stated that only a psychopath would happily return to normal during all of this.
The Government is actually never going to produce a model of transmission in a pub, and the scientists don’t have to prove the risks for each individual situation. The current data is quite clear, outside is much better than inside for socialising.
As for the inventor of PCR his opinion is not really worth much now. What is of value is the data, and it is quite clear. As I previously pointed out this has been used for decades to identify infectious disease strains and no-one bats an eyelid until people are told to stay at home. Funny that, isn’t it?
as for cycles, I thought you claimed that that 40-45 was recommended, now it’s 32?
As for Vit D, there is still no conclusive evidence that it impacts significantly on Covid infection despite a myriad of studies.
I do find it very interesting though that you hold up certain experts as if they are infallible yet trash the vast majority of those experts who don’t agree with you - almost as if you’ve convinced yourself of “the truth” regardless.
Exercise and good general health has been a core message from public health England for decades, so I’m not sure why you think this should have been a bigger part of the advice.
well done to you for getting fit and reducing your risk, but it’s not all about you - it’s about all of us.
So I will again refer you to my previous comment about evaluating sources - because you seem to be following a story and ignoring the vast majority of experts in this field just because a few vocal dissenters make some noise.
As for Ivermectin, this seems to be the next Hydroxychloroquine- small studies show promise, large studies show little benefit. It also has some well-known side effects. So far vaccination remains the safest and most effective way to minimise Covid infections, and cheap steroids are the best way of keeping people alive in ICUs right now - the Recovery trial website has all the info on this.

 

[An Ankoù]

I need to be careful what I say du3 to my conflict of interest issues, my share portfolio contains shares in some companies mentioned above.

What I would like to know is, what did the Portugal court case archive?

I'd be interested, too, to know what this case archived or achieved. Anybody got a link?

 

[ChrisR73]

For anyone who is interested, there is a nice easy to read piece from Reuters on the misinformation regarding cycle thresholds here:

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-who-instructions-pcr-guidan-idUSKBN2A429W

 

[An Ankoù]

As for Vit D, there is still no conclusive evidence that it impacts significantly on Covid infection despite a myriad of studies.

What does impacts significantly mean? I had thought that vit D was produced naturally in the skin by sunlight and that the increased susceptibility to covid among people with darker skins was due to a deficiency of this vitamin. I had also believed that vit D was one of the factors contributing to a good immune system. Is that not the case?
I never thought that anyone was suggesting that vit D could be used as a treatment for covid.