BAN FOOD!!! (on trains and buses)

[MyQul]

Stop eating fatties!!


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ban-food-on-trains-says-top-doctor-2ld07sfhz

 

[Dexter101]

What commuter trains has she been on with people eating? most people are struggling to breath on them!

 

[user 23602]

Agreed. But also because I despise the sound of people who can't eat or drink quietly, it infuriates me. And also because people also then leave rubbish on the bus or spoil the seats.

 

[Graz]

Agreed. But also because I despise the sound of people who can't eat or drink quietly, it infuriates me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misophonia

 

[Graz]

Once again the minority are attempting to ruin things for the rest of us. You're telling me that I can't have a Mars bar and a can of coke as a bit of a treat because I'm on a sh*tty train because a certain percentage of the populous can't control themselves. Typically if I also happen to be on a train I've walked to the station which is several miles from home.

Next they'll be banning drinking on trains!

 

[Chippy_Tea]

There is a bus driver on 5live now saying its bad enough asking people to take their feet off the seats are they expected to confiscate their food and why are they picking on busses what about cars, trains and airplanes etc, who is going to police this stupid ban?

 

[user 23602]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misophonia

Oh I know. But it's not yet a 'real' medical condition. However, my boss does allow me to work from home because of it when I need to. It's genuinely a horrible emotion.

 

[BeerCat]

What is the fear of a tramp that smells of piss called. Encountered a few on the underground. Amazing how fast the seats clear.

 

[MrRook]

Good luck enforcing that.
If they do manage all that will happen is more will be eaten before and after.

 

[ITMA]

I have misophonia and it has quite a detrimental affect on day to day living, relationships, family, etc. It sucks.

But I'm 100% opposed to a ban. They're not banning to help us misophones out, otherwise there would be many much better starting points.

Fat people are going to keep eating come what may. Are they going to ban people eating whilst walking? I can never understand why people do that, I wouldn't want it banning though.

These very well paid health police don't give a stuff about people's health really, they want to command and control the great unwashed. Those of you supporting this because you don't like noise, you won't be so happy when they move on to banning something that you happen to like.

I wear earplugs on trains. And I like filling my face and slurping a beer to ameliorate the whole ghastly process. And yes I'm aware of the irony that others probably having to listen to me munching and slurping. They can buy some ear plugs then.

 

[Dexter101]

Best solution to this obesity crisis is to allow all families easy access to safe outdoor play spaces (this includes us adults who spend 40 hours per week sat at a desk) and make the price of food realistic. Think back 30 years, I bet chocolate and sweets were a treat afforded once per week, not realistically picked up on a daily basis.

As a teenager, I got £1.50 per day to spend on lunch. I could have bought a sandwich at the school canteen with that or I could buy 2 packs of maryland cookies and 50p worth of penny sweets. guess what I did?!

I was also playing sport almost daily and cycling 4 miles per day as well so I all balanced out.

 

[jceg316]

I once took my salad nicoise onto a train, it immediately turned into a milkshake and 3 burgers. By the time I came off the train I was 30kg heavier with a heart condition.

This is a weird suggestion. I definitely think people should be able to eat whatever, but food should be taxed accordingly to cover external costs. You want a burger? Have one, but pay the tax which will cover the NHS costs of obesity related diseases.

 

[marshbrewer]

Have one, but pay the tax which will cover the NHS costs of obesity related diseases.

Which has been shown to be zero. Those who indulge in unhealthy lifestyles statistically, die younger than those who do not. The economics of healthcare are such that the greatest demand, and therefore costs to a system such as the NHS, come at the end of a statistically average life. Fatties and ciggy smokers by and large never reach this same age bracket (again, statistically speaking) so cost the system lees when looked at as a whole life cost. This doesn't mean I advocate smoking, eating and drinking oneself to death, but there doesn't need to be a tax on pies from an NHS cost perspective (from a neo-puritan, we want to boss you about, perspective, maybe if that floats your authoritarian boat - such as the appalling retiring CMO).

 

[user 23602]

Which has been shown to be zero. Those who indulge in unhealthy lifestyles statistically, die younger than those who do not. The economics of healthcare are such that the greatest demand, and therefore costs to a system such as the NHS, come at the end of a statistically average life. Fatties and ciggy smokers by and large never reach this same age bracket (again, statistically speaking) so cost the system lees when looked at as a whole life cost. This doesn't mean I advocate smoking, eating and drinking oneself to death, but there doesn't need to be a tax on pies from an NHS cost perspective (from a neo-puritan, we want to boss you about, perspective, maybe if that floats your authoritarian boat - such as the appalling retiring CMO).

Failing to address the challenge posed by the obesity epidemic will place an even greater burden on NHS resources. It is estimated that the NHS spent £6.1 billion on overweight and obesity-related ill-health in 2014 to 2015. (Scale of the obesity problem, Gov.UK, 2018)

According to the Government's Tobacco Control Plan for England, smoking costs our economy in excess of £11bn per year. Of this, £2.5bn falls to the NHS, £5.3bn falls to employers and £4.1bn falls to wider society. (Cancer Research, 2018)

 

[MyQul]

Best solution to this obesity crisis is to allow all families easy access to safe outdoor play spaces (this includes us adults who spend 40 hours per week sat at a desk) and make the price of food realistic. Think back 30 years, I bet chocolate and sweets were a treat afforded once per week, not realistically picked up on a daily basis.

As a teenager, I got £1.50 per day to spend on lunch. I could have bought a sandwich at the school canteen with that or I could buy 2 packs of maryland cookies and 50p worth of penny sweets. guess what I did?!

I was also playing sport almost daily and cycling 4 miles per day as well so I all balanced out.

We have also gone from eating 3 times per day to eating 5,6 or more times per day. Breakfast, lunch dinner, plus all those snack in between. Plus, any and all those liquid calories, that are found in sugary drinks like sodas and coffees with 2000 calories in them because they're pile full of cream, caramel, chocolate, etc

 

[DavidDetroit]

In my area, public transportation isn't widely used as it is in NYC and some others. There's a mediocre bus system ind Detroit/metro Detroit that's fairly inconvenient for the rider and used mainly if not 100% by the lowest income bracket.
Logically, banning food during a ride will not decrease obesity; it's one period of a day out of many. People who are going to overeat are going to overeat and not be improved by the obstacle the ban proposes.
It's really just moderation. Most know this but won't apply it.

 

[marshbrewer]

go back to the Daily Mail if that's your reasoning

I was going to respond to your post with some reasoned argument, about personal choice and the place of the state in peoples life, and also the flaw in your purely economic argument (complete with lovely links, and things) but then I read the above and took a deep breath a remembered that life is too short to argue with people who get all aggressive on internet fora and forget their manners. It would therefore be pointless.

For everyone else, if you say smoking costs an additional £11b pa in healthcare cocts; direct tobacco taxes are £12bn pa, that's a net positive before we even look at whole life care.

 

[user 23602]

I was going to respond to your post with some reasoned argument, about personal choice and the place of the state in peoples life, and also the flaw in your purely economic argument (complete with lovely links, and things) but then I read the above and took a deep breath a remembered that life is too short to argue with people who get all aggressive on internet fora and forget their manners. It would therefore be pointless.

For everyone else, if you say smoking costs an additional £11b pa in healthcare cocts; direct tobacco taxes are £12bn pa, that's a net positive before we even look at whole life care.

I removed my additional post as I thought the same. I got unnecessarily agitated, sorry dude.

And yes when put in perspective of whole life cost, it seems small. But these are avoidable cost. I'm not worried about people killing themselves, but I am concerned for the wellbeing of the healthcare system we are privileged to have.

 

[Alex.mc]

Enforcing this will be nigh on impossible. Bus drivers rarely vacate their plexiglass pods, and with any trouble usually just radio in and stop at the next stop and wait for the police.
The answer is not enforcement, but education. Educate people as to eating choices, educate people as to behaving in public.

 

[jceg316]

maybe if that floats your authoritarian boat

I take into account what you say that adding a health tax may not be necessary, I will read, and if you have any links please do post them.

However, what I was saying was not authoritarian, it was liberal. People should be free to do what they want as long it harms no one else. I.e. you are free to eat your life away but it shouldn't infringe on my rights; I won't foot your medical bill.