Another major incident in london

[simon12]

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmWJMuC_Jx8&spfreload=10[/ame]

 

[BeerCat]

When i drive into Preston there is a place similar to the one you describe the problem is if they do not want to integrate how do you encourage them?

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You cant. That is why its being forced upon us and its failing.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

@simon12 i have watched the video and the part i do not agree with is that "all" Muslims want all people of all religions (apart from theirs) to be wiped out, we have seen Muslims on the TV openly condemning the killing if they all believe that is what all Muslims should do why would they condemn the killers?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Going on from my post above why would they throw him out of the mosque if his views were not radical?


[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ov9-WKINhc[/ame]

 

[geetee]

Again the authorities knew the 3 men and had also been warned that one of the attackers had become more extreme over the past two years.

I saw a local muslim neighbour interviewed on TV and he did actually report his increasing radicalisation several times, with no obvious action. (I see Chippy has now posted this above)

it is a slippery slope forcing people to inform on their neighbours, lots of Muslims by nature are very private people and you cannot put the blame on them for not speaking out this actually implies that they have inside information just because the extremists use the word Islamic yet their practices suggest otherwise

This is bit like the McCarthist communist witchhunt in USA where you are then presumed as guilty simply by not confirming that you condemn the extremists. You have to take it for granted that most people do hold that opinion and not single out one religious group that the terrorists are hiding behind

 

[shepp]

It is human nature to be tribal, people will almost always choose to be around others that look, speak, think, drink, eat and pray like them.
That is why multiculturalism has to be forced on people, much like communism, it is not the natural order of things, but because the Left have so much emotional commitment invested in it, they will never admit it has failed. Especially since the failure of communism before.

Take a look at Sweden, once a very safe, peaceful and civilised country now riddled with violent crime, rapes and terrorism. That is mostly being perpetrated by the 'New Swedes'.
But what do the Swedish authorities do? Stop importing the problem?
No, because they are so emotionally invested in multiculturalism, instead of curbing the flow of the people ruining their society, they just collude with the media to hide statistics and cover up the descriptions of the perpetrators. Then they invite hundreds of thousands more of the people causing the problem into the country.
Oh the irony of the term 'Stockholm Syndrome'
It is like a collective mental illness that has overcome the Swedes, for them to think of their own society to be so worthless that they can let it be taken over by a culture that is inferior in every measurable way.

Sweden is the canary in the mine when it comes to modern feminised liberalism, I know the people of Poland, Hungary and Czech republic are very aware of this and are resisting such 'enrichment' being forced onto them by the EU.
I hope they can resist the Soros funded propaganda and keep voting in governments that put the interests and safety of it's own people first.

 

[simon12]

@simon12 i have watched the video and the part i do not agree with is that "all" Muslims want all people of all religions (apart from theirs) to be wiped out, we have seen Muslims on the TV openly condemning the killing if they all believe that is what all Muslims should do why would they condemn the killers?

He doesn't say anywhere "all" Muslims want all people of all religions (apart from theirs) to be wiped out, just that is what mohammed teaches.
heres a video hid did a few years ago explaining why some muslims follow there scriptures and others don't.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjvfaZIDLCg[/ame]

 

[Chippy_Tea]

So we are back to square one most Muslims are peaceful and condemn those killing in the name of their religion and a minuscule minority are not.

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[simon12]

Its alot more than a small minority just a small minority that acts on it.
Center for Social Cohesion: One Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam (Wikileaks cable)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tudents-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html

Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf

NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

NOP Research: Hardcore Islamists comprise 9% of Britain's Muslim population;
Another 29% would "aggressively defend" Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

Pew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for religious or political ends acceptable.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

BBC (2007): 36% of younger Muslims in the UK believe a Muslim should be killed for converting to another religion (19% of those over 55 agree).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6309983.stm

Terrorism Research Institute Study: 51% of mosques in the U.S. have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence; 30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence; and 19% have no violent texts at all.
http://www.terrorismanalysts.com/pt/index.php/pot/article/view/sharia-adherence-mosque-survey/html

Pew Research (2013): 76% of South Asian Muslims and 56% of Egyptians advocate killing anyone who leaves the Islamic religion.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFil...ims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 19% of Muslim Americans believe suicide bombings in defense of Islam are at least partially justified (global average is 28% in countries surveyed).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFil...ims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 39% of Muslims in Malaysia say suicide bombings "justified" in defense of Islam (only 58% say 'never').
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/

Die Presse (2013): 1 in 5 Muslims in Austria believe that anyone wanting to leave Islam should be killed.
http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.c...-sentence-for-apostasy-21-9-oppose-democracy/

Motivaction Survey (2014): 80% of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with Holy War against non-believers. Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archiv...dical-views-worry-mps-call-for-more-research/

BBC (2015): Following the Charlie Hebdo attacks, 27% of British Muslims openly support violence against cartoonists. Another 8% would not say, meaning that only 2 of 3 surveyed would say that the killings were not justified.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31293196

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 24% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified against those who "offend Islam" (60% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy....nline-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 29% of Muslim-Americans agree that violence against those who insult Muhammad or the Quran is acceptable (61% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy....nline-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

Pew Research (2015): 40% of Palestinians, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% of Muslims in Bangladesh agree that violence against civilians in defense of Islam is sometimes justified.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America says suicide bombings and other violence against civilians in defense of Islam is sometimes or often justified. 81% say it is never justified.
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-app-a/

Arab Observatory of Religions and Freedom (2016) Only 39% in Egypt condemn religious extremism.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...ntries-providing-major-source-of-eu-migrants/
University of Munster Study (2016): 20% of Turks living in Germany say that "the threat which the West poses to Islam justifies violence.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8321/germany-turks-integration
University of Munster Study (2016): 7% of Turks living in Germany agree that "violence is justified" to spread Islam.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8321/germany-turks-integration

 

[shepp]

Peaceful religion eh?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Its a lot more than a small minority just a small minority that acts on it.

Lets put it into context there are roughly 2.8 million Muslims living in this country most of who i assume have access to a car, kitchen knife or both, if more than a minuscule minority were not peaceful why are we not seeing cars being driven into crowds of people and stabbings on a daily basis if as they would have us believe they look forward to dying in the name of their version of the religion.

The extremists want us to tar all Muslims with the same brush lets not fall into the trap!

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[shepp]

Playing the long game?

 

[Ajhutch]

I am not making light of the situation but this guy fleeing but still holding his pint sums up the British spirit.

I love the comment that he probably paid six quid for that pint so quite right he wants to finish it!


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[BeerCat]

Don't worry. May is going to bring in hate speech laws to save us all.

 

[Gunge]

When i drive into Preston there is a place similar to the one you describe the problem is if they do not want to integrate how do you encourage them?

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Why even bother trying? Just kick the bleeders out. Let's stop pussyfooting, and just be honest and say it. When the patience and tolerance reaches breaking point,as it surely will, get ready. Multicultural hellhole that's what it's become. I actually feel like the alien in my own ******* supermarket with it's sections devoted to people from faraway lands, and being surrounded on all sides by foreign tongues. It's wrong and I don't like it one bit,simple as that. Now if everyone was honest they'd say the same. What is it that's stopping them?

 

[chub1]

Don't worry. May is going to bring in hate speech laws to save us all.

Thank god:thumb::lol:

 

[Godsdog]

Why even bother trying? Just kick the bleeders out. Let's stop pussyfooting, and just be honest and say it. When the patience and tolerance reaches breaking point,as it surely will, get ready. Multicultural hellhole that's what it's become. I actually feel like the alien in my own ******* supermarket with it's sections devoted to people from faraway lands, and being surrounded on all sides by foreign tongues. It's wrong and I don't like it one bit,simple as that. Now if everyone was honest they'd say the same. What is it that's stopping them?

Love to be able to kick them out but where to? They are most likely born here and probably 3/4 generation and who would take then? Places like Iraq are trying to get rid of radicalised Muslims to have a peaceful sort of life themselves.there is no easy answer but I keep saying it has to come from their own community

 

[geetee]

Why even bother trying? Just kick the bleeders out. Let's stop pussyfooting, and just be honest and say it. When the patience and tolerance reaches breaking point,as it surely will, get ready. Multicultural hellhole that's what it's become. I actually feel like the alien in my own ******* supermarket with it's sections devoted to people from faraway lands, and being surrounded on all sides by foreign tongues. It's wrong and I don't like it one bit,simple as that. Now if everyone was honest they'd say the same. What is it that's stopping them?

What is it that's stopping them?
Nothing except fairness, equality Human rights, cilvised society, practical considerations, lack of available places to send them , lack of co-operation of receiving countries, money, resources, bringing ourselves down to their level and so on........but apart from that, nothing!
Oh forgot to mention that we do not have enough skilled people to run our own country ourselves, so how sad are we?

I thought we had dealt with that fact that this is not even a possibility worth further discussion and will never happen?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

We have already discussed the fact we cannot ship them all out of the country for the reasons geetee and many others have given and you are right I did ask members if we could move on from the 'send them all home' type posts for that reason.

 

[simon12]

Lets put it into context there are roughly 2.8 million Muslims living in this country most of who i assume have access to a car, kitchen knife or both, if more than a minuscule minority were not peaceful why are we not seeing cars being driven into crowds of people and stabbings on a daily basis if as they would have us believe they look forward to dying in the name of their version of the religion.

The extremists want us to tar all Muslims with the same brush lets not fall into the trap!

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The same reason most Christians don't love there enemies, feed the hungry or many of Jesus's other teachings, they like the idea behind there religion but don't let it get in the way of there daily lives, though they admire those who do. As the stats show moderate Muslims support the idea behind attacking the west they just prefer to get n with there lives and not worry about it. Also most who do actively follow Mohamed's teachings travel to Syria or Iraq where they can more actively fight the so called enemies of allah as even most of them don't consider the average British public as legitimate or priority targets.