AG hangovers

[Good Ed]

jonewer, does it really matter this much with you? have another beer

 

[jonewer]

jonewer, does it really matter this much with you? have another beer

It does matter that people here are offering advice based on rumour that has lead at least one brewer to discard a batch that would in all probability have been fine. Thats not good advice. Thats bad advice.

And in terms of disproving

Effects of fusel oil on animal hangover models.
Hori H, Fujii W, Hatanaka Y, Suwa Y.
Source
Institute for Biological Safety Assessment, Suntory Limited, Osaka, Japan. [email protected]
Abstract
BACKGROUND:
Fusel oil has been reported to have undesirable side effects such as hangover. However, the relationship between fusel oil and hangover has been investigated insufficiently. In this study, we investigated the effects of fusel oil and their ingredients contained in alcoholic beverages by using animal hangover models.
METHODS:
Ethanol and fusel oil were simultaneously administered to Suncus murinus, and emetic responses were observed for 60 min. Ethanol and fusel oil were simultaneously administered to mice immediately after intake of saccharin solution; on the next day, the mouse's saccharin solution intake was measured.
RESULTS:
The volatile fraction (fusel oil) of whisky had no remarkable effect on ethanol-induced emetic responses in suncus. Whisky had the most suppressive effect on ethanol-induced conditioned taste aversion in mice among the various alcoholic beverages tested. The volatile fraction (fusel oil) of whisky suppressed the ethanol-induced conditioned taste aversion. In contrast, the nonvolatile fraction of whisky had no effect. The administration of isoamyl alcohol (5 mg/kg) and isoamyl acetate (10 and 40 microg/kg), ingredients of fusel oil, significantly suppressed the ethanol-induced conditioned taste aversion.
CONCLUSIONS:
The fusel oil in whisky had no effect on the ethanol-induced emetic response, but it suppressed taste-aversion behavior in animal models of hangover symptoms. These results suggest that the fusel oil in whisky alleviates hangover, contrary to the common belief.

 

[graysalchemy]

It does matter that people here are offering advice based on rumour that has lead at least one brewer to discard a batch that would in all probability have been fine. Thats not good advice. Thats bad advice.

Regardless of whether it causes hangovers or not it doesn't make for a great tasting beer either. Fusel oils are an off flavour in beer (though an important constituent in brandy) and something i certainly wouldn't want to taste in my beer. So if someone said they had brewed their beer at 24c and it had a stange hot solventy taste I would still advice them to get shut of it as it would taste sh*t and likely to put a new brewer off brewing beer again.

With regards to you scientific evidence I don't see many Asian House Shrews frequenting the forum.

 

[johnny_dove]

Seems I started a bit of a discussion:-) Love my beer. Would almost be prepared to take my beer down to the pub and pay for them to serve it to me. I'd take my hefe wheatbeer over any of the bland beers they have for sale in the pub. Even though they have a big selection on bottle. Homebrew tastes more. Would be a shame if my mates started imagening homebrew gives them worse hang overs than other beer. Treating mates to some of your beer is a large part of the fun. The hefe needs high fermentation temp to get some banana flavour(22c). Mine actually went up to 24c for a short while due to fermentation but it tastes great. Was not very long got temp down fairly quick. But if my mate is right, the hefe is more likely to be the culprit than my ipa. Personally, no hangover if I have a couple of either sort in front of the telly(like every day):smile: If I drink more, all kinds of beer gives me a hang over. Like GeeK said- dehydration and salts and nourishment are a big factor.

Btw, I like that study where they had study groups try different kinds of booze with and sharing their perceived hang overs. 1.7 per mille not that much. Try alcodroid on your phones on a night out and you will see:lol:

 

[Good Ed]

Let's face it, if you were going out on the town and someone said you'll regret it because you'll have a hangover in the morning, would you go back home?

 

[johnny_dove]

Not likely, depends on when i have to get up the next morning. But a shame if mates opted to bring commercial beer when they come around thinking they will get less hung over.

 

[Good Ed]

more fool them

 

[cwiseman77]

2 pints of water, 2 slices of toast and 2 paracetamol after a heavy night can work wonders :thumb:

And no I don't get worse hangovers with homebrew. Although once when i was a student a friend had a go at homebrew and we drunk the whole lot one night. I'm pretty sure he had no idea what he was doing and the damn thing was probably still fermenting when he forced carb and we drank 10 pints each :sick:

 

[johnny_dove]

More likely scenario, they will bring commercial beer, drink until they are out of the beer they brought, then get stuck in on the hb and blame me for their hang overs the next morning haha.

 

[Good Ed]

now that's probably more scientific to conentrate on the cure.

In preparation, in my younger days of course, I found haggis, neeps and tatties to be the ideal bedding for the nights ventures :thumb: I could never face the raw egg treatment in the morning :sick:

 

[johnny_dove]

A good meal before bed time, a berrocca with vitamins c and b, lots of water and / or a gatorade before you crash helps in my experience. The next day, big lunch and one beer to go with it:-)

 

[Good Ed]

A good meal before bed time, a berrocca with vitamins c and b, lots of water and / or a gatorade before you crash helps in my experience. The next day, big lunch and one beer to go with it:-)

now there's the cure, another beer, works every time :

 

[RobWalker]

all home brew is based on rumour man. we're not scientists, years ago they were mashing bananas into cider and all recipes just called for "hops" of some sort. we're all winging it at best. :lol: