James Morton Dry Paddy Porter

RichardM · Nov 17, 2024

I am thinking of brewing Dry Paddy Porter from James Morton's Brew to use up some chocolate malt that I have had hanging around for ages.
A search show a few people have brewed it. How did it turn out? Would you change anything if you brewed it again?

An Ankoù · Nov 17, 2024

Wouldn't trust any of his recipes, to be honest, either for beer or for bread. His books do not inspire confidence. Not for me, in any case.

RichardM · Nov 17, 2024

An Ankoù said:
Wouldn't trust any of his recipes, to be honest, either for beer or for bread. His books do not inspire confidence. Not for me, in any case.

Can you point me to a reliable recipe that will use up 2 or 3 hundred grams of chocolate malt?

An Ankoù · Nov 18, 2024

RichardM said:
Can you point me to a reliable recipe that will use up 2 or 3 hundred grams of chocolate malt?

I've just looked up Dray Paddy and it;s quite strong. My recipes don't go beyond 5% except for Baltic Porter (which is a lager). If you want to go with Morton, I'd leave out the treacle, certainly, as it can be overpowering. If you haven't got Brown Malt then either leave it out or replace it with half the weight of pale malt. The IBUs, too, are a bit high for a "dry" porter. I'd aim for 40 max.
This porter, he says, is based on a Tadcaster brew (so why Dry Paddy?). I've had the Sam Smiths stuff and I didn't like it very much and it's 5% abv so I don't really see how he's based this on anything to do with Taddy Porter!

RichardM · Nov 18, 2024

An Ankoù said:
I've just looked up Dray Paddy and it;s quite strong. My recipes don't go beyond 5% except for Baltic Porter (which is a lager). If you want to go with Morton, I'd leave out the treacle, certainly, as it can be overpowering. If you haven't got Brown Malt then either leave it out or replace it with half the weight of pale malt. The IBUs, too, are a bit high for a "dry" porter. I'd aim for 40 max.
This porter, he says, is based on a Tadcaster brew (so why Dry Paddy?). I've had the Sam Smiths stuff and I didn't like it very much and it's 5% abv so I don't really see how he's based this on anything to do with Taddy Porter!

Thank you.
I was looking through some of my other books and found a couple of other possibilities.
I'll post them later for comment

RichardM · Nov 18, 2024

These are the other three that I am considering. Any comments welcome.
The first one is from Graham Wheeler's Brew Your Own British Real Ale, the second is from Wheeler and Protz's Brew Classic European Beers at Home and the third from Greg Hughes' Home Brew Beer.

Moe · Nov 18, 2024

RichardM said:
Can you point me to a reliable recipe that will use up 2 or 3 hundred grams of chocolate malt?

I made this a couple of months back.

Cold steeped the choc malt and added to the boil, it was delicious

An Ankoù · Nov 18, 2024

RichardM said:
These are the other three that I am considering. Any comments welcome.

I like the first and the third one. Note they both use brown malt in very different proportions. I don't know how familiar you are with brown malt, but it has quite a characteristic flavour and I remember reading somewhere that a porter isn't
a porter without brown malt; that, of course, is utter nonsense.
I'm curious about the Finnish porter, I do respect Protz and Wheeler and I've never tasted that beer. It looks very thick and sweet- hence the high IBUs. Not something we'd recognise immediately as a porter, perhaps. "top-fermenting yeast" isn't very helpful- it looks like Windsor with only 71% hence the high IBU's to balance the sweetness. I'd like to knock those IBU's back and use a lager yeast for a proper Baltic Porter. I'd like even better to taste Sinebrychoff, bit I don;t think I'd risk brewing a full batch of it without tasting the original first.
I think I'd go for the Fuller's.

RichardM · Nov 18, 2024

An Ankoù said:
I like the first and the third one. Note they both use brown malt in very different proportions. I don't know how familiar you are with brown malt, but it has quite a characteristic flavour and I remember reading somewhere that a porter isn't
a porter without brown malt; that, of course, is utter nonsense.
I'm curious about the Finnish porter, I do respect Protz and Wheeler and I've never tasted that beer. It looks very thick and sweet- hence the high IBUs. Not something we'd recognise immediately as a porter, perhaps. "top-fermenting yeast" isn't very helpful- it looks like Windsor with only 71% hence the high IBU's to balance the sweetness. I'd like to knock those IBU's back and use a lager yeast for a proper Baltic Porter. I'd like even better to taste Sinebrychoff, bit I don;t think I'd risk brewing a full batch of it without tasting the original first.
I think I'd go for the Fuller's.

I was expecting to find a recipe that used a greater proportion of chocolate malt. I have used brown malt once before. It was a long time ago. I'll have to trawl through my beersmith recipes to find it and see if I remember it.
I also need to read the Porter chapter in Designing Great Beers and, also, consider @Moe 's CML Oatmeal Stout, it looks like the sort of recipe I like

jof · Nov 18, 2024

One of my own, I call it miserable git.
4.5kg base malt.
250g choc malt.
200g crystal malt.

15g magnum at the start of boil.
30g brambling cross at flameout & that stays in for 10 minutes before I drain to FV.

Standard yeast eg S04 or Notty & I've even used CML Monk (I think)

foxy · Nov 19, 2024

RichardM said:
These are the other three that I am considering. Any comments welcome.
The first one is from Graham Wheeler's Brew Your Own British Real Ale, the second is from Wheeler and Protz's Brew Classic European Beers at Home and the third from Greg Hughes' Home Brew Beer.
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The Sinebrychoff Baltic Porter recipe looks odd for a Baltic Porter. I followed this one, but it does need lagering to get the most out of it. And aging.
https://byo.com/recipe/sinebrychoff-porter-clone/

Dark Arts · Nov 19, 2024

I've just done the wort for a fullers london porter from the big book of clones

19ltr OG 1.054 FG 1.014
Base 3.75kg
Brown 680g
Crystal 450g
Choc 340g

Fuggle 37g@60
Fuggle 19@15

Clint · Nov 19, 2024

The GH is a good starting point.
In fact I'd say the whole of the GH is a must for new brewers as it's easy to follow and produces some decent results. It's too easy to keep reading about the "best" recipe ever for a beer style with stepped mashes,concoctions and other stuff you can't replicate easily on basic kit.

RichardM · Monday at 8:48 PM

This is what I ended up brewing, I bottled it today and the half a glass that didn't go in a bottle tasted good. It was a user upper. I bought the pale malt, but everything else was in stock.

This made 18 litres, which was the volume I was going for, but OG and FG were a bit off, 1044 (aim was 1047) and 1013 (expected 1011)

Munich Porter

3.00 kg	Pale Ale (Crisp) (6.0 EBC)
0.26 kg	Crystal Malt Low Colour (135.0 EBC)
0.24 kg	Munich (Dingemans) (8.0 EBC)
0.20 kg	Chocolate (Crisp) (950.0 EBC)
0.10 kg	Black Malt (crushed) (1280.0 EBC)

Amt	Name	Type	#	%/IBU	Volume
30.00 g	Goldings (Herefordshire) – Brook House [6.80 %] - Boil 60.0 min	Hop	6	27.0 IBUs	-
10.00 g	Goldings (Herefordshire) – Brook House [6.80 %] - Boil 10.0 min	Hop	7	3.3 IBUs	-

Bragdy Mike · Wednesday at 12:27 PM

RichardM said:
This is what I ended up brewing, I bottled it today and the half a glass that didn't go in a bottle tasted good. It was a user upper. I bought the pale malt, but everything else was in stock.

This made 18 litres, which was the volume I was going for, but OG and FG were a bit off, 1044 (aim was 1047) and 1013 (expected 1011)

Munich Porter

3.00 kg
Pale Ale (Crisp) (6.0 EBC)
0.26 kg
Crystal Malt Low Colour (135.0 EBC)
0.24 kg
Munich (Dingemans) (8.0 EBC)
0.20 kg
Chocolate (Crisp) (950.0 EBC)
0.10 kg
Black Malt (crushed) (1280.0 EBC)

Amt
Name
Type
#
%/IBU
Volume
30.00 g
Goldings (Herefordshire) – Brook House [6.80 %] - Boil 60.0 min
Hop
6
27.0 IBUs
-
10.00 g
Goldings (Herefordshire) – Brook House [6.80 %] - Boil 10.0 min
Hop
7
3.3 IBUs
-

I like Morton’s paddy porter. But I prefer Wheeler’s Fuller’s London Porter.
I also like Morton’s Totally Tropical but I omit the sugar and halve the weight of the dry hops. I brew quite a few of his recipes but tweak the hops. I really like his Amarillo Smash but generally use Cascade!
I also like some of his bread recipes- so, I’m probably a bit of a fan.

pilgrimhudd · Wednesday at 4:55 PM

All 3 of those looked good, i'd have gone for the Finnish Porter myself, can't go wrong with Wheeler in my opinion.

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