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hoppyscotty said:

Think that applies to all cars these days. If you dig deep enough pretty much all brands haver their own reliability issues, or certainly have from time to tim

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I would venture you have never owned a disco.

I agree with you in principle. But the exception to the rule is LR. Owned for 14 years. Not one ever made it from one service to the next, without going to visit its mates at the dealers. Sometimes for days.

I joked with my wife after having the toyota a while that I was going to have to wash this one... Something I had not needed to do all the time I had disco's (5) because it got so many with its frequent flyer points

This guy is a dealer, he hates a loves rangys

Hazelwood Brewery said:

It’s a shame pretty much everything in life seems to be joining the race to the bottom.

It just reinforces my temptation to keep my car for as long as I can or as long as they’ll let me!

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Don't know about that...modern cars are in many ways amazing things and an absolute testament to the ingenuity of humans and our ability to develop technology and make it cheaper for the masses. By and large they are ultra reliable (the internet makes them appear to be less reliable, but you see far fewer cars broken down at the side of the road these days despite there being many millions more of them)...they are alot safer than ever before and despite a massive growth in size and weight, very efficient with very low emissions. They're now packed with gadgets and tech from standard that was only available on super high end luxury models not so long ago, and a bog standard family saloon now packs enough performance to give a '70's or '80's supercar a good spanking. Of course the exception might be Land Rovers

The downsides to all that are they are alot more expensive (but the wonders of our failing economies in the west and devaluation of our money, low interest rates have compensated nicely for that), packed with alot of environmental tech that is basically driving in alot of the complexity and ultimately unreliability and, I'd argue, not quite as exciting to drive despite their better performance...they're too good and too fast to have fun in, at legal speeds at least - not that the government things that you should be allowed to enjoy driving or have fun in a car...

But I do find myself harking back to older cars..I love '80's and early '90's era cars and these days with aftermarket mods you can fix alot of the problems they had back in the '80's. The problem is everyone has the same idea and the price of used cars is rocketing. Try picking up a nice '80's classic hot hatch or something a bit more exotic like a Porsche 911 and you're looking at silly money.

If you want peace of mind buy a KIA 7 year or 100,000 miles warranty.

MashBag said:

I joked with my wife after having the toyota a while that I was going to have to wash this one... Something I had not needed to do all the time I had disco's (5) because it got so many with its frequent flyer points

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Hazelwood Brewery said:

It’s a shame pretty much everything in life seems to be joining the race to the bottom.

It just reinforces my temptation to keep my car for as long as I can or as long as they’ll let me!

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Well this is it for us…I have just sold my weekend toy, and A45 and we are left with 2 aging high mileage 14 year old VWs (Scirroco and Caddy) both mint and ultra reliable as I’m anal about looking after the fleet and they are serviced above and beyond the schedule.

So why are we shopping about? Sometimes you just get an itch, maybe it will pass.

Hazelwood Brewery said:

It’s a shame pretty much everything in life seems to be joining the race to the bottom.

It just reinforces my temptation to keep my car for as long as I can or as long as they’ll let me!

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Yup. Undisputed race to the bottom.

Ps. Mine isn't a temptation it's a plan.

Chippy_Tea said:

If you want peace of mind buy a KIA 7 year or 100,000 miles warranty.

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I have. Also bleddy marvellous. Just a shame they called it a...
"ki asole"

MashBag said:

Yup. Undisputed race to the bottom.

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All started by Mercedes in the early noughties.
Shocking paint, no rust proofing and cheap assed electrics. Leading to better build quality at the expense of design quality from 2010 to try and retain the sales
A trick picked up on and perfected by JLR since about 2010, but without any nod to improving build quality. Clever marketing doing the job of better build quality to maintain sales

Nicks90 said:

All started by Mercedes in the early noughties.
Shocking paint, no rust proofing and cheap assed electrics. Leading to better build quality at the expense of design quality from 2010 to try and retain the sales
A trick picked up on and perfected by JLR since about 2010, but without any nod to improving build quality. Clever marketing doing the job of better build quality to maintain sales

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I genuinely think they are trapped now, because they can't make a reliable product, because their dealerships could not survive the revenue loss.... Similar to removing state funding?

A harsh reality is big business (food, manufacturing & pharmacy) make money first and foremost the product is an afterthought and its getting worse.

Larse said:

Covered under warranty/extended warranty by all accounts. It's usually the windscreen seal, not the roof. It's listed in that buyers guide I linked.

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No good though when it's taking them 6 months to repair and you are left with s courtesy car that's not a JKR

Leon103 said:

No good though when it's taking them 6 months to repair and you are left with s courtesy car that's not a JKR

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Not sure where you're getting the six months from? This thread seems to suggest that the only delay was getting JLR to cover the cost, which they did, one instance being out of warranty. A couple there sorted in 24 hours.

It seems to be an issue with a batch of 2020 models and the issue is easily identifiable (again described in the thread), so if buying a used one, it seems a trivial matter to identify:

This was the test suggested to me on the phone, and sure enough the screen flexed upwards, away from the top joint, with just fingertip pressure. I could move mine enough to see through the gap and into the car, with only the pressure I could apply with two fingers!

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Larse said:

Not sure where you're getting the six months from? This thread seems to suggest that the only delay was getting JLR to cover the cost, which they did, one instance being out of warranty. A couple there sorted in 24 hours.

It seems to be an issue with a batch of 2020 models and the issue is easily identifiable (again described in the thread), so if buying a used one, it seems a trivial matter to identify:

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Based on my local dealer. It seems over the past couple of years everyone in my local area as bought one, everyone is reporting issues and I see so many driving around with what can be described as cling film over their roof whilst they wait their turn for the repair.

Leon103 said:

Based on my local dealer. It seems over the past couple of years everyone in my local area as bought one, everyone is reporting issues and I see so many driving around with what can be described as cling film over their roof whilst they wait their turn for the repair.

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Well as I said, the consensus seems to be that it's a bonding issue with a batch from around 2020. Any delays I've read about are very dealer dependent, so it looks like your local is one of those.

For what it's worth, if you can't be bothered waiting for a dealer to do it for you under warranty or you're out of warranty, Autoglass will do the job for £200.

Larse said:

Well as I said, the consensus seems to be that it's a bonding issue with a batch from around 2020. Any delays I've read about are very dealer dependent, so it looks like your local is one of those.

For what it's worth, if you can't be bothered waiting for a dealer to do it for you under warranty or you're out of warranty, Autoglass will do the job for £200.

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There are also issue with the glass roofs, rather than the front windows, separate issues and one that Autoglass won't fix

Leon103 said:

There are also issue with the glass roofs, rather than the front windows, separate issues and one that Autoglass won't fix

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Not a very common one as far as I can tell. But it also happens with other JLR cars like the Evoque.

In any case, the OP is interested in buying one, so outlining these issues and how to test for them is how they'll be able to evaluate any cars they look at. Forewarned is forearmed.