Small beer: Study calls on government to shrink pints

Kerby said:

A colossal amount of calories though. If you want to end up obese with type 2 diabetes beer is the best alcohol to help you achieve that aim.

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Don't think this is true is it? Though there are plenty of calories in beer there is very little sugar and if anything the lower ABV beers have more sugar than higher ABV beers. The residual carbs in beer are mostly or exclusively complex carbs which don't cause the same amount of stress and in insulin spikes on your system as they take alot longer to process and break down so dont stress the system and cause insulin resistance that leads to Type 2 diabetes.

Type 2 diabetes is overwhelmingly a modern problem due to our modern diet., It was practically unheard of in my grandparents generation and before when they all lived off proper food and not super process stuff knocked out of highly industrialised factories from a variety of manufacturing processes you couldn't hope to replicate in your kitchen, and I think refined sugar and simple carbs is the prime problem, people have been drinking beer plenty over hundreds of years and Type 2 diabetes hasn't been a big issue before.

But doctors, the majority which dont necessarily know that much about nutrition as its not something they are formerly trained in, and there is very little proper science done around nutrition so nobody really knows and we're all part of a massive multi decade experiment about how diet affects our health, which isn't working out too well so far, but ultimately the doctors automatic playbook when it comes to anything that might be diet related is to cut out the alcohol. Just a standard line they trot out.

Half my family are doctors and work in the healthcare industry in come capacity and they all drink, so clearly they are not concerned with the often reported health risks that are trotted out by the media from sources that are more commercial than clinical.

I am surprised they haven't hit home brewers as pub beer sale drop.

I don't brew beer I make liquid bread....

hoppyscotty said:

Don't think this is true is it? Though there are plenty of calories in beer there is very little sugar and if anything the lower ABV beers have more sugar than higher ABV beers. The residual carbs in beer are mostly or exclusively complex carbs which don't cause the same amount of stress and in insulin spikes on your system as they take alot longer to process and break down so dont stress the system and cause insulin resistance that leads to Type 2 diabetes.

Type 2 diabetes is overwhelmingly a modern problem due to our modern diet., It was practically unheard of in my grandparents generation and before when they all lived off proper food and not super process stuff knocked out of highly industrialised factories from a variety of manufacturing processes you couldn't hope to replicate in your kitchen, and I think refined sugar and simple carbs is the prime problem, people have been drinking beer plenty over hundreds of years and Type 2 diabetes hasn't been a big issue before.

But doctors, the majority which dont necessarily know that much about nutrition as its not something they are formerly trained in, and there is very little proper science done around nutrition so nobody really knows and we're all part of a massive multi decade experiment about how diet affects our health, which isn't working out too well so far, but ultimately the doctors automatic playbook when it comes to anything that might be diet related is to cut out the alcohol. Just a standard line they trot out.

Half my family are doctors and work in the healthcare industry in come capacity and they all drink, so clearly they are not concerned with the often reported health risks that are trotted out by the media from sources that are more commercial than clinical.

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Doctors went through a phase of always demanding to know how much you drink. Telling them an honest 40 units per week would get you a ten minute lecture on the evils of drink. On the other hand saying 2 or 3 pints a day would get the response, we'll that's not much is it?

Yeah and even the foundation of the recommended units of alcohol is not really based on science either. Politicians know that every year they will want the option of increasing duty on alcohol...like the motorist, those indulging in drinking are easy targets to keep squeezing for more and more and more tax so it is handy to push rhetoric demonising alcohol and the harms it does so people feel the government are justified when they start raising the taxes.

Its straight out of the Marxist playbook...keep them scared and you can manipulate the population all you like.

I will drink what i like and they can feck off, pint, 2 thirds doesn't matter you know when you have had your fill

hoppyscotty said:

Don't think this is true is it? Though there are plenty of calories in beer there is very little sugar and if anything the lower ABV beers have more sugar than higher ABV beers. The residual carbs in beer are mostly or exclusively complex carbs which don't cause the same amount of stress and in insulin spikes on your system as they take alot longer to process and break down so dont stress the system and cause insulin resistance that leads to Type 2 diabetes.

Type 2 diabetes is overwhelmingly a modern problem due to our modern diet., It was practically unheard of in my grandparents generation and before when they all lived off proper food and not super process stuff knocked out of highly industrialised factories from a variety of manufacturing processes you couldn't hope to replicate in your kitchen, and I think refined sugar and simple carbs is the prime problem, people have been drinking beer plenty over hundreds of years and Type 2 diabetes hasn't been a big issue before.

But doctors, the majority which dont necessarily know that much about nutrition as its not something they are formerly trained in, and there is very little proper science done around nutrition so nobody really knows and we're all part of a massive multi decade experiment about how diet affects our health, which isn't working out too well so far, but ultimately the doctors automatic playbook when it comes to anything that might be diet related is to cut out the alcohol. Just a standard line they trot out.

Half my family are doctors and work in the healthcare industry in come capacity and they all drink, so clearly they are not concerned with the often reported health risks that are trotted out by the media from sources that are more commercial than clinical.

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You’re wrong.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...68d059/Adult_obesity_and_type_2_diabetes_.pdf

If you can’t be bothered to read anything else, just read the opening paragraph of the summary.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34986330/

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-and-obesity.html

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK592412/


And as far as doctors drinking habits go, well let’s just say that the profession is well known for having a high level of of drug and alcohol abuse.

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/9/5/e027362

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2019/may/work-stress-turns-doctors-alcohol-and-binge-eating

https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/resources/alcoholism-and-medical-professionals/

The last reference is American, so I concede may not be as relevant.

IIRC as a former Inn Keeper, It was required by Licensings Laws that drinks be served in regulated measures (exc wines) ie Beers etc in 1/2 and 1 pint glasses and glasses carried a Crown marking to designate the reputed pint to allow for foam, spirits were sold in 25mL shots
There was a big fuss about going over to metric for Beer ie 1/2L instead of a pint. TBH it would not have made any difference to the average Joe at the time, but the press made a big fuss to sell their wood pulp ***** and so Pints were retained as legal requirement AFAIK

Given the inevitable £5 pint post COVID it makes good sense to allow 1/2 L measures (and 1/4 L) to be served and let the customer have choice BUT MAKE IT CLEAR at the POS so the customer doesnt feel cheated

Pre COVID I was in the habit of taking a bottled real ale as in general what was offered on pump was uber hype craft water thats became fashionable and resembled Watneys or Harp gnats pss. My local was a Shepherd Neame house whose pump water has been renowned for poor quality for decades (despite being in Faversham, home of hop growers) However they did make a great extra best bitter in a 500mL bottle 1698 Ale at 6% but superb classic taste. Too strong for a sesh so I was comfortable with half the amount as bottles £5.60 pre Cov price.

So IMHO, sell Real Ale in 1/2L bottles (as readily available from corner shop/supermarkets etc) rather than the dish water rubbish from a badly managed cellar by MEH Managers

For those civilian punters, there is a considerable many hours of skilled work needed to maintain a cellar of Cask Ales vs kegs

Give me Bottled Ales any day - many classics available now and the quality is reliable and if from a 13C Cabinet, great value (trouble is that 3 bottles for a £5 isnt going to cut it in a PUB). Nobody has suggested an insulated glass for serving your ale, cos if you want your perfect Pint (or glass 1/2L) then this must be stored in the cabinet as well. It doesnt sit well to start with a refreshing cool (not chill) drink in front of you only to have it within 5 mins warm up to 25C that change is unpleasant - its like the reverse of a cup of tea when you let it go cold.